September 15, 2006
Pope Benedict XVI and the Muslim Controversy
Apparently Pope Benedict XVI has stirred up Muslim anger over comments made in his speech last Tuesday. Is the anger justified? Well, we can read the entire speech here. But what offended Muslims was this section of his talk:
[Initial part speaks of the University where he is speaking and where he once taught] This profound sense of coherence within the universe of reason was not troubled, even when it was once reported that a colleague had said there was something odd about our university: it had two faculties devoted to something that did not exist: God. That even in the face of such radical scepticism it is still necessary and reasonable to raise the question of God through the use of reason, and to do so in the context of the tradition of the Christian faith: this, within the university as a whole, was accepted without question.I was reminded of all this recently, when I read the edition by Professor Theodore Khoury (Münster) of part of the dialogue carried on - perhaps in 1391 in the winter barracks near Ankara - by the erudite Byzantine emperor Manuel II Paleologus and an educated Persian on the subject of Christianity and Islam, and the truth of both. It was presumably the emperor himself who set down this dialogue, during the siege of Constantinople between 1394 and 1402; and this would explain why his arguments are given in greater detail than those of his Persian interlocutor. The dialogue ranges widely over the structures of faith contained in the Bible and in the Qur'an, and deals especially with the image of God and of man, while necessarily returning repeatedly to the relationship between - as they were called - three "Laws" or "rules of life": the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Qur'an. It is not my intention to discuss this question in the present lecture; here I would like to discuss only one point - itself rather marginal to the dialogue as a whole - which, in the context of the issue of "faith and reason", I found interesting and which can serve as the starting-point for my reflections on this issue.
In the seventh conversation (*4V8,>4H - controversy) edited by Professor Khoury, the emperor touches on the theme of the holy war. The emperor must have known that surah 2, 256 reads: "There is no compulsion in religion". According to the experts, this is one of the suras of the early period, when Mohammed was still powerless and under threat. But naturally the emperor also knew the instructions, developed later and recorded in the Qur'an, concerning holy war. Without descending to details, such as the difference in treatment accorded to those who have the "Book" and the "infidels", he addresses his interlocutor with a startling brusqueness on the central question about the relationship between religion and violence in general, saying: "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached". The emperor, after having expressed himself so forcefully, goes on to explain in detail the reasons why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable. Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul. "God", he says, "is not pleased by blood - and not acting reasonably (F×< 8`(T) is contrary to God's nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats... To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death...".
The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God's nature. The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality. Here Khoury quotes a work of the noted French Islamist R. Arnaldez, who points out that Ibn Hazn went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God's will, we would even have to practise idolatry.
At this point, as far as understanding of God and thus the concrete practice of religion is concerned, we are faced with an unavoidable dilemma. Is the conviction that acting unreasonably contradicts God's nature merely a Greek idea, or is it always and intrinsically true? I believe that here we can see the profound harmony between what is Greek in the best sense of the word and the biblical understanding of faith in God. Modifying the first verse of the Book of Genesis, the first verse of the whole Bible, John began the prologue of his Gospel with the words: "In the beginning was the [Logos]. This is the very word used by the emperor: God acts, [not readable in English] (T, with logos. Logos means both reason and word - a reason which is creative and capable of self-communication, precisely as reason. John thus spoke the final word on the biblical concept of God, and in this word all the often toilsome and tortuous threads of biblical faith find their culmination and synthesis. In the beginning was the logos, and the logos is God, says the Evangelist. The encounter between the Biblical message and Greek thought did not happen by chance. The vision of Saint Paul, who saw the roads to Asia barred and in a dream saw a Macedonian man plead with him: "Come over to Macedonia and help us!" (cf. Acts 16:6-10) - this vision can be interpreted as a "distillation" of the intrinsic necessity of a rapprochement between Biblical faith and Greek inquiry.
In point of fact, this rapprochement had been going on for some time. The mysterious name of God, revealed from the burning bush, a name which separates this God from all other divinities with their many names and simply declares "I am", already presents a challenge to the notion of myth, to which Socrates' attempt to vanquish and transcend myth stands in close analogy. Within the Old Testament, the process which started at the burning bush came to new maturity at the time of the Exile, when the God of Israel, an Israel now deprived of its land and worship, was proclaimed as the God of heaven and earth and described in a simple formula which echoes the words uttered at the burning bush: "I am". This new understanding of God is accompanied by a kind of enlightenment, which finds stark expression in the mockery of gods who are merely the work of human hands (cf. Ps 115). Thus, despite the bitter conflict with those Hellenistic rulers who sought to accommodate it forcibly to the customs and idolatrous cult of the Greeks, biblical faith, in the Hellenistic period, encountered the best of Greek thought at a deep level, resulting in a mutual enrichment evident especially in the later wisdom literature. Today we know that the Greek translation of the Old Testament produced at Alexandria - the Septuagint - is more than a simple (and in that sense really less than satisfactory) translation of the Hebrew text: it is an independent textual witness and a distinct and important step in the history of revelation, one which brought about this encounter in a way that was decisive for the birth and spread of Christianity. A profound encounter of faith and reason is taking place here, an encounter between genuine enlightenment and religion. From the very heart of Christian faith and, at the same time, the heart of Greek thought now joined to faith, Manuel II was able to say: Not to act "with logos" is contrary to God's nature.
The quote is necessarily extensive, since our Holy Father builds the discussion throughout the talk. But I think it's clear: to quote a historically accurate quote is not to accept the quote at face value. To say the Pope's talks are being taken out of context for political gain is an understatement. The Pope, to be sure, is not Muslim and would argue that Islam is not correct and Christianity is correct [obviously].
However, it seems that the very Muslims who call for violence have decided to use this to incite more violence. Never mind that they are lying by taking the words out of context - they don't really believe anyway or they would not be terrorists. What bothers me is the lack of Islamic believers who refuse to quietly allow their faith to be taken over by these terrorists - who do not follow many of the teachings of Islam. Where is your backbone?
The irony here is that one of the Pope's comments are being ignored by those that most need to hear them. Violence, especially in the name of religion, is incongrous with the concept of God. And violence is now being pushed by some in the name of God over the Pope's comments.
What a world we live in. Much, much prayer is needed.
God bless,
Jay
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Jay, your comment about the lack of faithful Muslims condemning the violent reactions to Pope Bendict's words reminds me of The Last Battle, by CS Lewis.
When the good Calormene enters paradise, he asks if Tash and Aslan are one. Aslan replies that Tash is evil and different from Aslan. Aslan then points out that when the Calormene behaved well, he was being faithful to Aslan and betraying Tash.
While it is fair to the call everyone to reject all forms of violence in the spread of religion, we must also remember that the call to peace is a call to faithfulness for the Catholic and ultimately a call to unfaithfulness for the Muslim.
Posted by: Burnt Marshwiggle at September 18, 2006 07:14 PMMost of Humanity on this earth believes in God. Yet all define God according to their personal character and emotions, and yet they consider God to be all powerful, the creater, sustainer and destroyer of the universe and every thing contained in it.
Thus conflicts arise.
In God's creation nothing can be fundamentally right or wrong for it is all God's creation, except in the limited brain of God's creation, the human.
If any one asks a question to oneself for any and all decisions made in one's life to act and accordingly acted, "WITHOUT 20/20 HINDSIGHT OF THE RESULTS OF THE SAID ACTION, BASED UPON THE STATE OF MY CIRCUMSTANCES AND MY MIND, WOULD I HAVE MADE THE DECISIONS ANY DIFFERENTLY THAN I DID?"
An honest answer will surprise you, for it will be "NO".
What follows is all are doing the God's WILL.
Why is it so hard to accept, when all say 'THY WILL BE DONE"
May be our social systems may have to be modified in the light of this reality, but then 'WHY NOT".
TBT,
Thanks for your posting. You have an interesting way of defining "the God" in your own terms, interest and fashion. It seems you believe that God is merely a creation of human history and our own pathetic intellect/nature. I disagree.
Do you believe in Satan? You stated that "in God's creation nothing can be fundamentally right or wrong..." Christians believe in an ongoing struggle between God and Satan. Your seeming relativism doesn't wash with Christianity.
Michael O.
Posted by: Michael O. at October 11, 2006 04:26 PM
TBT:
Interesting dilemma, which I have to admit I had trouble with some years ago. But there's a couple of things about "the God" (been reading Plato?) that you've missed.
It is true that nothing can be added to or subtracted away from God if we look at God in His fullness. If I sin, from God's fullest perspective I cannot actually be harming Him or Reality, for to do so would be to be harming God--i.e., taking something away from Him, which is impossible. But then there's this difficulty:
God is infinite. As such, and as our world PLAINLY shows, His infinitude can realize the *appearance* of His own negation. I.e., the world contains veils of illusion whereby, if we act or think or feel a certain way we can delude ourselves into acting or thinking or feeling that God is absent, something that is only an appearance and therefore unreal. So, if I sin, I may not be taking anything away from God in His highest "level," but I am acting as if it were possible to take something away from God. I.e., I can't hurt or defy God's will, but I can delude myself (and others) into thinking that I am.
Sin and evil--the veils that we insist upon to keep something between God and ourselves--are not realities in themselves, in the sense that they exist or have as much power as virtue and good. They're actually parasites that feed upon the Good, upon Reality. But they are delusions, and delusions obviously exist. Sin and evil suggest that what can't be done actually can. What concerns you and I, in this world, is not washing the whole world over with some abstraction of the "fullness or completeness of God" in Himself, but in accepting the fact that we were created in a realm wherein God's negation can be believed in, but where that negation is ultimately not real. God's infinitude includes the possibility that others can believe He doesn't exist, but it doesn't include the possibility that they're right to think so. In short, God's infinitude allows for our freedom, but when that freedom is used to step outside of God's infinitude, to deny His existence (and all that that means), then God's infinitude is not going to include that possibility. You might say, "But then God isn't infinite if he doesn't include all possibilities." To which I would respond: God's infinitude includes all possibilities, but it doesn't include impossibilities; it doesn't include nonsense. To step out from God is impossible, because God's infinitude does not include a place where He is not; to believe that one *can* step out from Him is possible, because God's infinitude includes our freedom; hence, sin and evil.
For all of this, there are obviously degrees of truth in God, leading from the veils that suggest that God isn't real to the increasing removal of those veils so that we see (and believe) more and more that God really does exist, that He is real. When the final veil is removed, we see that He is Reality. I am not saying that sin and evil are themselves "not there," but I am saying that they are less real than the Good. We feel the pain and the effects of evil, but the Good does away with that. The good actually can do away with evil; but evil can only make us believe that the Good is diminished. As the saints tell us, the better we get, the less real evil becomes.
If nothing else, I'd check your argument, if I were you, for there's a mighty strong contradiction therein: if everyone in the world is doing God's will, doesn't that include the people that you're arguing with? Why are you arguing with us, if "nothing in God's creation can be fundamentally right or wrong," since presumably what we're doing is not fundamentally wrong? By arguing with us, you're contradicting your own belief in the inherent rightness of all of God's creation; there can be no exceptions--if you're right. And if we are the exception, why? (And if so, what does that make of your equality-rules idea of creation?)
Posted by: Tobias at October 13, 2006 10:01 PM




















