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You cannot be serious. Contraception causes homosexual marriage? The problem is, you've been so brainwashed by the hierarchy and its adherents, you can't think straight and see the clear light of the Christian message. After the raging, ubiquitous homosexual/child-rape scandal in the Roman church, you think a Roman-oriented site would be embarrassed to expose such a post as this. Why not try this theory on for size: "Mandaotry celebacy in the priesthood has been a key contributor in child rape." Get real.

Really, Ricardo? Then how come more protestant pastors molest children than celibate priests? Even married men are more likely to molest children than celibate priests! Unfortunately, you're the one who is blinded by misinformation, not me.

By the way, I'll simplify the logic for you:
(1) if the purpose of marriage is procreation, then contraception is sinful. Would you agree? Every Christian denomination agreed until the 1930's.
(2) if contraception is okay, then the purpose of marriage cannot be procreation. It must be something else.
(3) if a valid marriage can be sterile (non-procreative), then why is homosexual marriage wrong? What about homosexual marriage violates natural law? Thus, homosexual marriage is also a sterile marriage, but this is okay.

Can you follow this? This isn't deep philosophy or theology, it's pretty simple. I would think you could follow this, but let me know if I need to explain it another way.

I also recommend you actually know something about a subject before blurting out silly accusations.

God bless,
Jay

Jay,

I understand what you mean (I don't agree but I understand), but you might want to clarify yourself a little better. You have just left a number of valid, but sterile marriages, out in the cold. (e.g. couple incapable of having children due to age, infertility or disease)

In Christ,

Thomas

P.S. As an aside, my wife is pregnant with number four. People are beginning to wonder if we are Catholic. I tell them no, just irresponsible. ;)

Marriages that have no children due to infertility, disease, age, etc., are that way due to some physical defect, usually contrary of the couple's desire for children. This is a far cry from the "family" that is sterile by selfish choice (and it is a selfish choice to work against a healthy body to avoid children permanently). This selfishness is what is so common between contraception and same sex "marriage." Homosexual activity is by its nature ultimately selfish, not self-giving.

Just a question or two. I know that homosexuality is wrong and an abomination unto God, or so I've been tought, but really how can we as Christians say that? I know that it is written in Holy Scripture that the cities of Sodam and Gamora (sp?) were destroyed for this very sort of sin and that in Liviticus, it condems man laying with man, but doesn't our Lord Jesus Christ teach otherwise? Don't we break more commandments by condemming homosexuals than by loving them as fellow human beings? Not condoning what they do, but still loving them as ourselves. Aren't His teachings that of love, compassion, and peace. Aren't we told by Him and not by the Church that we are to love our neighbors as ourselves. That we are to love all of humanity. Doesn't the Bible say that the sinners, the prostetutes, liers, and sexual sinners will enter into the kingdome of Heaven before those who are self-rightous and condemming? You need not answer any of these questions because I know that they are in the Bible because I'm looking at them right now! And YES, it's a Roman Catholic Bible! Look at Mary Magdoline. She, according to "old" Church doctrine, was a woman with a "past." But Christ raised her up from a prostetute to a deciple! In the old Test., we were told to stone sexual offenders to deathe, but Christ is the fullfillment of the Old. He is the New. All things were fulfilled in Christ! He taught us that those of us who are without sin, let them throw the first stone! I don't know about you, but I am NOT without sin!!! So how can we, as Christians ("Christ-Like") act in such a contrary way? Who are we to decide the fate of another human being? Who is the CHurch to say wether or not one sin is worse than another or wether or not that type of person will be saved or should belong to a Christian body? As sinfull as the Catholic Church was (i.e:indulgances, sexual acts such as Priest laying with Nuns and whores then the Nuns having abortions, *you can't run from it! It's history! Even the History Channel shows documentaries on it!*the theory of Works over Faith and the burning of so called "Heritics" for no other reason than political. The waging of war with different countries because the "Pope" of that era wanted more power and wealth.) how then can this Church, Like Mary, with a "past" judge others!!?? Let this Church cast the first stone!!!!!!!!! I resect ALL Denominations, as the truth is we are all children of God. We are ALL Christians, but please don't sit there and tell me that the RC Church is infalible!!! This is so rediculous that it's not even funny! We as human beings make mistakes, we ere and sin, but we as Christians repent of our sins and move on. Just as I know Christ has forgiven the RC Church, can't He too, forgive ALL sinners? Doesn't He alone have the power to decide the fate of another man? How then can we be so blind to His teachings and so very judgemental? Forget what you've been taught and turn to Holy Scripture. You'll find more fullfillment and satisfaction and understanding in that very book than any of us will in listening to the reason of Church officials for a life-time! I know that as "die-hard Catholics" you will look at this opinion of mine as blasphemus because I speak against the Church, but I know that there will be some of you who will read this and a little while down the road, you'll start to think on it. Then you'll turn to your Bible and see what I say is true. Then you'll start to think. These are the people who are truely "Christ-like". These are the people who will, like Christ, dismiss secular authority and follow God's will, not the will of others! These are the people who the next time they see a sexual sinner whether homosexual or a prostetute and instead of judging them will turn to them. These are the people who will treat them with respect and not condemnation! Treat them with Christian love and not Hell's hatred! Remember, your kind words and your kind acts could be all that is needed to turn them from a life of sin to the Light. It is our bounder duty as Christians to evangelize. To take the Word of God to the ends of the Earth! Whether we want this responsability or not, it is expected of us. We are all Christians. We are all trying to live our lives in a way that mirrors the life of Christ. Don't you think it's about time we start acting like it!!!!!!!!

In Christ,
Shawn

Shawn writes:
I know that homosexuality is wrong and an abomination unto God, or so I've been tought, but really how can we as Christians say that?

The same way Saint Paul does. He repeatedly condemned sinful acts and counselled excommunication for unrepentent brothers. He did this out of love for the sinful believer in hopes they would return to a right relationship with the Lord. He condemned sinful acts and loved unrepentent sinners by trying to bring them to repentance.

I know that it is written in Holy Scripture that the cities of Sodam and Gamora (sp?) were destroyed for this very sort of sin and that in Liviticus, it condems man laying with man, but doesn't our Lord Jesus Christ teach otherwise?

The Lord Jesus Christ never taught that homosexual acts were permissible under the Law. What he did was take the punishment for our transgressions upon himself. Just because Our Lord bears the punishments for our sins does not make them any less sinful.

Don't we break more commandments by condemming homosexuals than by loving them as fellow human beings?

Keep in mind that condemning a homosexual act is far different from condemning a homosexual person. While our courts and law makers actively refuse to make such a distinction (despite receiving numerous requests to do so). Jesus himself makes this distinction crystal clear when he says "Neither do I condemn thee, go thou and sin no more". He does not condemn the sinner but he retains the original definition of sin and counsels sinners to forsake their ways. Peter gives this same advice in his first sermon: "You nailed him to a tree... Repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins".

Not condoning what they do, but still loving them as ourselves. Aren't His teachings that of love, compassion, and peace. Aren't we told by Him and not by the Church that we are to love our neighbors as ourselves.

Saint Paul showed his love for his sinful neighbors by calling them to repentance. When they repented, he rejoiced along with the angels.

Doesn't the Bible say that the sinners, the prostetutes, liers, and sexual sinners will enter into the kingdome of Heaven before those who are self-rightous and condemming?

CS Lewis points out that the reason prostitutes and tax collectors were entering the kingdom of God before the pharisees was that the prostitutes and tax collectors knew that they were in need of God's mercy for they had sinned. The pharisees made it quite clear that they were confident that their conduct was above reproach.

CS Lewis also points out that Our Lord's response to people who commit sin (prostitutes and tax collectors) is one of divine mercy, infinite patience, and a gentle invitation to return to him. With those such as the pharisees who refused to admit their sin, Jesus let loose with harsh words indeed.

This continues to this day. The Church works patiently with homosexuals who admit their sin, struggle to lead a holy life, and stumble along the way to heaven. Against those who claim that there is nothing with homosexual conduct, the Church proclaims the truth as she has always done.

Granted, the sins I commit are no less serious than the ones committed by homosexuals. Granted God loves me just as much as homosexuals. For years I wondered what difference there was, if any.

A priest explained to me that there is a world of difference between the sinner who admits wrongdoing and the sinner who does not. God wishes to save everyone but those who do not admit wrongdoing effectively refuse God's help. Those who admit wrongdoing are then in a position to ask the good Lord for the help and mercy he so eagerly desires to bless us with.

"The commandment to 'be fruitful and multiply' is one we can check off the list. It's the only one of God's commandments we've actually fulfilled. It's done. Over. We can move on to the next."

The world is overpopulated by at least 200%. God's good creation is being devastated by human greed. Catholic teaching says this though you never see it in the headlines - environmental destruction is a sin. We need fewer people on earth RIGHT NOW if there are to be human beings around, and souls to be saved, in the future - if the whole race is not to destroy itself. In this scenario, how can birth control be against God's will?

Grace,
Are you kidding? Overpopulation is a myth that has been disproven time and again. The entire population of the world will fit in a couple of US states, 4 to an acre.

Typically only those living in big cities even believe this. Do some homework - challenge your assumptions.

Also, I understand that you think the commandment has been fulfilled, but I have no proof of that. No where does God or Christ indicate that this commandment has been fulfilled; and Catholic teaching does not allow for birth control and has not taught that the world is overpopulated.

Birth control is against God's will because He said it was. For more read about the Bible and Birth Control.

God bless,
Jay

I hope that all of you are taking care of your children as you write this crap. I am so grateful that I am not mired in your bull. Get it together one day and stop judging other people and take care of your own house. Catholics are wbolly and completely mentally screwed up and need psychiatric help!

When are you folks ever gonna come to your senses? "The Law" has been fulfilled!! If you had the ability to keep the law, Jesus could have stayed at home!! The Law is Holy and Good!!, but when it flows thru you and me, it kills us!! And what does a dead man need more that anything else? LIFE!! LIFE!! "I came that they may have LIFE"!! Folks, listen, please!! The Law, is the first 5 books of the Old Covenant...The "Ten Commandment" are just a small PART of the whole Law! There are about 1600 of them...Are you following all ot THEM? The purpose of the "Law" is to show us that we can't do it!! Read the book of Romans if you don't believe that!! Jesus said, "I did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfull it". How did he fulfill the Law? By walking in perfect LOVE....He also UPHELD the Law...How? At the Cross! The stringent requirements of the Law were both fulfilled and upheld. So instead of spending the rest of your life guttin' it out for God, trying to be God's Guy, why don't you come into His Sabboth Rest?....and rest from your works, the same as he rested from His. Anything that you depend on will control you....and if you depend on the energy of your own flesh to rid the world of homosexuality or any other sin, then your employing Faith in your flesh! And faith in yourself is not Faith in Christ! And without Faith, it is impossible to please God!!

Beloved, we suffer from Spiritual Dislexia....we are being taught that WE must initiate and God will respond....Don't be deceived....God is the initiater and WE are the responders!!..Satan doesn't care what you have your mind on....as long as it's OFF of Christ Jesus Our Lord....God Bless Ricky

I'll say Amen to that Ricky.

Being a celebate priest does not make him an atomatic child molester or homosexual. A pedofile is a pedofile whether he is celebate or not. Just as a homosexual does not make them a pedofile or rapist. This is a horrible misconception. There are many, many prodestant pastors that dont' practice celebacy that are pedofiles as well.

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