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Jay,

I agree with your assessment of the guy in this post. He is misguided and it makes you wonder if he is hearing the Holy Spirit or the voice of Satan ? But Jay, there will always be non conformists. I sure if someone did some digging they could find a Catholic with a non orthodox point of view..

You keep saying the infallible book needs and
Infallible interpreter.. I agree, It Does.. The Holy Spirit the interpreter. He is available to ANYONE who invites Him into their heart and mind... The apostles were filled with the Holy Spirit at Penticost.

Are you saying that the Holy Spirit only speaks through Catholics or Through the Pope ???
The RCC interprets Matthew 16:19 to mean Infallible teaching..It does not say that..
It says that the Gates of hades will not prevail against His Church.. If it meant infalliblity then why did Jesus and the apostles constantly
warn against False teachers and Deceivers and false doctrines?

If the leaders of the church were infallible in teaching then there would be NO NEED to warn against false teachers and false doctrines.

Yet if you look at the history of the Roman Catholic church there have been bad Popes, their
have been disputes over who was really the pope,
causing a list of Popes that were called Anti Popes.

I understand that you feel that the Roman Catholic church is the One True church. But you limit God when you put Him in a box and say that the Pope or the Institution of the Catholic is the only group that can interpret the bible
correctly.

You have never actually come out and said that Protestants are lost or that they can not rightly interpret the bible. You keep dancing around it. But My Perception of your tone is that your being an Ex Protestant, you have some problem with your Brothers and sisters in Christ
who are Protestants ?

I have no problems with Catholics. It's the Institution I have a problems with and I don't believe their claim that they are still the church that Jesus and the Apostles started and Planted.

My personal feeling reading history is that the
Church Jesus planted got High Jacked or corrupted by the leven of the world and it's need for Power. Constantine used the church for his own politcal ends and compromised it with the Roman and Greek secular mindsets. It was subtle but then Satan is Subtle.

I know that you don't agree with me and my perspective and that's your right.. I believe you are sincere in your beliefs. You asked me what the Catholic Church did to me to cause me to question it, your term was something more like persecute it ... I have answered that question in my various posts. I will ask you,
What did the Protestant church do to you that causes you to Criticize it and put it down every chance you get... ?

You criticize me for putting down the Catholic church when you do Exactly the same thing every chance you get with the Protestant church. They must have hurt you pretty bad for you to lash out at them every chance you get on this blog...?

Can't you post the positive aspects of the Catholic church without putting down your Protestant brothers and sisters? Every article you write there is always a snipe or a snide comment about some Protestant group or teaching. It's like you go out looking for Protestants that are out of the mainstream of Christianity so that you can put down ALL Protestants...

I will relay the story in scripture (Paraphrased) When the disciples came to Jesus and said there were people baptising and teaching the Gospel that were not of their group. Do you know the story..? How did Jesus respond ? If they are not against us then they are for us...

Maybe the Protestants posting on this site would be more receptive to what you had to say if you weren't bashing them constantly... When you come at someone in a negative manner, it is only natural that they are going to try and defend themselves and NOT be receptive to whatever you are trying to say ...

You are trying to Proclaim the truth with this Blog. Do you honestly believe that you are going to CHANGE HEARTS and MINDS by starting off with the premise that your apponents are Lost or Misguided and Always Wrong.. Because if their perspective deviates from what the RCC teaches they are wrong before they post a word.

I am trying to offer some constructive criticism.
You have several choices...

1. You can blow me off ..
2. You can call me names (disenter or Off the Wall and try and discredit what I posted)
3. Or you can really look at what I am saying
and pray about it..

Whatever you do. I consider you a brother in Christ who Loves the Lord as deeply as I do ..

His Peace to you.

Clem

Clem,
For the record, we haven't ever called you names.

Now, if the Holy Spirit is an infallible interpreter available to everyone, then why do protestants have such differing opinions on key issues such as Baptism, the Eucharist, and Salvation? Wouldn't the Holy Spirit infallibly lead them to the single correct interpretation?

God bless,
Jay

Jay,

You are correct you have never called me a name personally.

However You have referred to me as a disenter and judged my motives for desenting as doing it for the sake of desention. That was what I meant by calling names just to clarify. If you knew me personally, I am not an argumentative person or one who likes to stir up trouble. My questions are sincere.

It's interesting how you answer my questions with a question. I will try to answer.

I guess the test as to whether a doctrine is of the Holy Spririt or NOT depends on :

1. If it does not contradict what Jesus or the apostles taught. (Scripture)
2. If it does not add too or take away from what
Jesus or the apostles taught. (Scripture)
3. If it is NOT something that was never taught by Jesus and the apostles.

If it goes against those criteria I would have to say that who ever was teaching it did not get it from the Holy Spirit and maybe they got it from some other spirit.

However if it does line up with what Jesus and the Apostles taught then I would judge that they are being lead by the Holy Spirit.

I hope that I answered your question ...

Now that I have answered your question please answer mine. Are you saying that Protestants can not be lead by and filled with the Holy Spirit, because it sounds like that is what you are inferring?

Are you saying that the Pope and the Magistiurm
are the only ones qualified to correctly interpret the scripture, becasue it sounds like that is what you are inferring?

Finally, what would you say about a doctine that
was formulated from flawed or fabricated information? See the website below for the basis of my question?

http://www.christiantruth.com/forgeries.html

Peace In Christ,

Clem

Clem,
This is getting silly. It's interesting that you believe anything on the internet as long as it is anti-Catholic. However, if something supports Catholicism, you immediately throw it out.

If you are sincere, Clem, then actually do a little basic history study before posting something so obscenely untrue. This guy you keep referring to has absolutely no factual historical information to back up his sources. He simply invents it as he goes along! And you're suckered in, Clem!

Again, go back and read the early Church Fathers - they were clear on the papacy and historians (the real kind that actually have some proof they are legitimate) all agree that these are belivable documents.

In the end, Clem, you're suckered in by anything anti-Catholic and we end up essentially "doing your homework." I recommend you look up and figure out what is true and untrue in the document.

God bless,
Jay

PS - Some of the issues that your questions don't answer: can we have Church on Sunday? Is infant baptism okay? What is the Trinity? We've gone over this before . . .

Jay,

Maybe I missed something ? The questions I asked had nothing to do with baptism, Sunday worship or infant baptism.

What I asked is if the Pope and the Bishops of the RCC are the ONLY ones who can be filled with or lead by the Holy Spirit and the ONLY Ones who can interpret scripture correctly ?

Or if Protestants could be filled and lead by the Holy Spirit and are able to interpret scripture correctly too ?

Regarding this source, Let's think logically..
If I were investigating an organization and suspected they were lying or not telling the complete truth. Should I go to that organization and use their data to find the truth or should I go to an outside source to do an independent investigation...?

I checked and this Catholic Theologian in the article existed and I am guesing the reason you discount him is because his teachings on the Papacy were contrary to what the church taught so they excommunicated him.. Does that mean that what he came up with was a lie or does it mean that the church didn't like what he came up with so they kicked him out to discredit him..? Once he was out his claims would be discounted because the church has labeled him a heretic. Very convenient..

These sites have the relevant excerpts from the early church fathers so I am reading what they have to say... Unless you are claiming that they are doctoring the information from the origial?

You can post excerpts from the writings of the Church fathers in your articles to prove your points. I wouldn't accuse you of altering the text of the church fathers or that you are intentionally misrepresenting the information.
You are interpeting the information from your perspective.

Yet I give you information with footnoted quotes and because they are contrary to your beliefs they are suckering me and you infer that they are somehow misrepresenting the information.

Remember during the inquisition, people were tortured and even killed if the church deemed them an enemy of the church. This is not some
Protestant propaganda but historical fact.It is even admitted on the Catholic Encyclopedia website although it is down played as not wide spread.

It's interesting that the method the church used to deal with things they didn't want to hear was to brand someone a heretic and excommunicate them. Does that mean that whatever the supposed heretic was saying was a lie Or could it have been true ?

Bottom line Jay, I don't trust the Catholic church to tell the truth... They covered up the
Pediphille priest deal for years until they got caught They weren't telling on themselves...
The church doesn't have a sqeaky clean history and they have covered things up before..

http://www.bartleby.com/65/do/Dollinge.html

Jay I can tell that you are tired of my questions. Neither one of us is willing to budge on their point of view...

I won't bother posting and wasting your time..
You believe I have been suckered in. Fine, believe whatever you want. It is interesting that you are so quick to assume I am the one being suckered ... You never answered what Your Problem is with Non Catholic Christians.. (Protestants) Why you put them down in almost every article you post.

It's interesting that One of the reasons the Eastern Orthodox church broke away from the RC Church is because they did not believe that the
Power should be under one central authority. Which leads me to believe that the original set up was that each bishop was in charge of their own local church and they did not have to answer to a central authority..

If you want to respond send me a private email as I will not be logging on any longer. Think what you will. You say that you have debunked my claims over and over. If your definition of debunk is to call my sources liars or to tell me that you are right and I am wrong, then I guess you debunked my arguments. You can think I chickened out. Fine. It's not that I lost confidence in my position. I just realized that this is not a dialogue, it's a monologue, anyone who disagrees with your position is automatically wrong... So what's the point to post anything unless it agrees with you. All of the people who post are told how wrong their arguments are .

I too am tired of arguing. It's very dscouraging to be told you are always wrong ... Maybe it's the medium. I can not hear the tone in your words and you can not hear the tone in mine. Blogging has that drawback.

I am sure you are a loving guy,(No Sarcasm meant) but the sharpness in your words come off as condesencing and as someone who has all the answers...

Again this is my perspective in my dealings with you. I know that you have made some judgements about me too. Oh well... Thanks for your time.
(No Sarcasm intended)

You brother in Christ with a different perspective,

Clem

Jay,

To get back to your original post, I find it interesting that Chuck has not given you a direct answer to your question. The bottom line is that anyone can say that the Bible says or doesn't say this or that. You are correct in that respect. However the same could be said for the Church's teachings. I could take the equally irrational position that the Church's teachings support abortions, and then say I merely read the official teaching of the Church in a different way than you. Of course I'd be as equally wrong and completely irrational as Chuck is when he says that the Bible supports abortion.

Chuck comes to the Bible with a set of beliefs and looks for support for those beliefs in the Bible, instead of the other way around. When there is no rational biblical support for his beliefs he then becomes irrational saying that he doesn't read the Bible the way you and I do. In other words he changes the authority he bases his beliefs on from the literal translation of the Bible to whatever he wants the Bible to say. This is nothing more than Chuckism, he believes what he wants to believe, you, me or what the Bible actually teaches be damned.

How do you point out the errors to the Chuck Curries of the world? You have done what I would have done. Except I would have taken it a step back further and challenged the way he interprets the Bible first. However, his mind is closed to the truth and there is no way he will change it short of the power of God.

In Christ,

Thomas

Point well taken, Thomas.

God bless,
Jay

Clem:

i have found MORE links thru a google search on the heresies of William Webster and his questionable honesty and selectivity of history..... (he is the one who wrote the article you asked us to read.

Additionally, again, you are NOT being totally forthright in your study of scripture and use logic as an argument of the flesh rather than reading scripture for what it says...

Chrsit warns of false teachers but only becasue there is an element that has come out from the churches that were false and wolves does not mean that there was nto the truth and the real ministers of Christ fighting against those heresies. Many of the epistles did just that.. fough jewish fables, found gnosticism and other heresies... THere was, in FACT, without question, AN authority which stood for truth and was passed on...

you say and set up your own rules when you ay, a test of if it is from the spirit is "did Jesus teach of it". Clem, are you now totally psychic? (said to get you to wake up for a moment here). John tells us in his gospel many more things did Chrsit say and do but only these were recordced to give some witness of who he was, if everything he ever said and did was recorded, maybe the entire library of congress wouldn't hold it, (my paraphrase).... Your system of testing is set up with bias..... AGain,m hyou then say, if it doesnt take way from or add to what they taught... This is the most legalistic fundamentalist position that is dangerous and not biblidcal. Paul tells us , to timothy, to hold fast to the word received, whether in letter or by mouth. Wll Clem, how do you knowwhat wsa stated by mouth ? YOU DON'T as even Jophn again tells us... only a portion of the gospel was written out .

Where does it say women are to join in the Lord's table Clem?

Where does it say that households of christian converts excluded children from being baptised for instance? Where does it say abortion is wrong? THe bible is silent in directness to all of these BUT we can extrapolate from scripture, God's character and find it, even if it is indirect.... The real question is this Clem.. the old testament tells alot.. much of the teachings of the apostles and the master derive from the old testament... UNLESS you ahve a grsp of this first, you can't understand the "spirit" in which things were said and WHY.. You becoome legalistic like the pharisees who were so afraid to do anything wrong, they built up fence laws, I cll them "rules to test" as you have set up also... Something not statted doesn't mean it is wrong to do. The freedom in Chrsit is found by those who know what it's true definitioin is..
NOw, regarding the inquisition.. MOST is protestant propaghanda and they all, bar none, quote from a few protestant historians. THe truth of the inquisitions have come out in recent years and less than 1000 were actually killed in Spain, for instance, LESS THAN 1000! The church wsa LESS harsh on it's traspassers than the state itself wsa with average people. Spain itself would hav ekilled many more, being more strict for instance.... the lies of "let's do one upmanship" in protestant circles will be paid for in the afterlife Clem by some who don't really care for the truth cuz they are more intterested in division amongst the brethren even if they have to lie, (lying for the greater good in their eyes...)

Isn't that what Judas did? betray Christ for the greater good he thought he was doing?

Be very careful who you draw your material from and whom have case sorceries upon you when you do not follow "equal weights and measures" in judgment.....
There is a very fine line between being deceived and deceiving Clem... The apostles would have called you a false teacher, even if you wer just sharing a false teacher's opinion, (like William Webbster). When you place yourself on line, sharing, you are by God's definition in the epistle of James, a TEACHER. becasue your words afect others not so strong in the faith and can mislead...
Be careful in maybe being judged as teacher when in fact, you think you are only sharing what others are saying.. you are promoting false teachers as yor own opinion or cuz you don't have one.

I am not as gentle as Jay is but being gentle with another believer who consistently offers the leavening of false teachers places teh burden on them and they share in the punishment of the false teachers as their disciples.

Be careful whom you quote, waht histories and revisionisms you borrow from, it is beter to be silent than offend the holy spirit by claiming many of the things you do...

If you have an immense knowledge of the bible, and not an immense knowledge of any other religion, you have no right, none whatsoever, to say what is right and what is not. You are just as subject to ridicule as any other fanatic who only has faith in what he/she/it heard first. Christians: if you are right, and God help us I hope you are, then what you have is a child-like faith. The kind we've read about in the most contradictoral book of all The Bible. But a child-like faith can be childish. It's the whole argument: My dad is better than your dad. And Joe-offended whoever you are, you are an adult, don't erase people's posts just because they may or may have not said the word f**k or s**t. They are just words and they only have as much power as you give them. What do people do in bed joe? fornicate? make-love? What do they do on the toilet? Doo-doo?
Have a bowel movement? These postings have been devisive. Meaning, there have been more angry words than loving that have gone back and forth. If the Christains here were all playing by Christian rules the neighbors here would have been cared for, not ridiculed for their open minds. And the blind respect the Christians here have had for their own religion and each other without a common respect for the hell-bound is ridiculous. You all have thought these ideas out thoroughly, but I want you to try to do something out of experiment. Believe for one instant that none of you are right. Casey: you are not right, Joe-offendseasily, you're not right. No one is right. There is then only one common truth! The thirst and drive for the truth is righteous. It is what seperates man from pig. A side truth is, the more you search, the more you ask honest questions. Questions like: If God is love and he knows all, why would he create humans he knew he would punish for all eternity with fire? If the Muslims, Jews and Christians are all praying to the God of Abraham, why are they killing each other over who is right? Why do most bibles claim that James is Mary's son, other than the Catholic's. The jehova's witnesses have a bible that doesn't have "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God and the Word was with God"-Jn. 1-1 (because they don't believe that Jesus was God, but only his human son), should we all haggle over translations, or which traslation says that we are right? We all need to take ourselves and our knowledge down a peg. I wish for one instant during these rants I read an ounce of wisdom, rather than knowledge. Christians: here is a question for you: If you had your faith laid out on a table in front of you, and two people on either side of your faith were tugging at it from both ends: Tearing it into a million denominations, one's that would one day hurt each other...maybe we could go all the way back to Ishmail and Issac, when the first tendon began to snap. What would you do? What would Jesus do? What would be your first decision? What would King Solomon do?

Terry Degnan

Next-door-neighbor to Satan, who sometimes borrows two cups of milk and a tablespoon of butter from the Prince of Darkness

http://www.deoomnisgloria.com/mt/archives/000209.html

Boy, Terry, you know less about Christianity than most and yet you feel confident enough to throw this up there?

This is a load of garbage and I'm not sure where to start, but a few things:

• We don't allow obscenities on this site for a reason: I hope you're intelligent enough to figure out why. I'll edit this post for you, but don't do it again. It's pretty simple: this is my site, so my rules apply (it's sad if you can't make an argument without obscenities, indicates a lack of reason).
  
• I've actually studied comparative religions: please let me know which one you think is correct. I'll let you know up front that Christianity is distinctly different from the others and there is historical evidence to suggest it is correct while others are incorrect.
  
• You have to answer for yourself whether you believe truth can be absolute or not. This is the starting point toward developing a rational basis for your beliefs. Is all Truth relative? I don't believe it is, what do you believe?
  
• God created man with free will. To simplify: you have the opportunity to choose right or wrong, good or bad. God isn't creating you and then damning you - you're doing that yourself. In fact, the point of living on earth is not for God's knowledge (He already knows the decisions you'll make); the point is so that when you end up in Hell, you'll understand why. By the way, Hell has a door locked from the inside - those in hell made the choice to be there.
  
• Please let me know where most Bibles claim that James is Mary's son. Remember: the word for "brother" is used throughout the Bible to refer to "cousins," so I'd like to see a verse that says "James is Mary's son" or something similar.
  
• You seem to be criticizing protestant denomninations for not being a unified voice (at the end of your rant). I would agree with this criticism.
  

God bless,
Jay

PS - I deleted your duplicate posts. There's no reason to post the same stuff over and over - the only difference is in the others you suggested the Bible was "contradictory." Please elaborate on where and I'll help you understand it.

The problem is such: you have an unhealthy need to prove your beliefs right, and 70% or so of the rest of the world wrong. If every religion says that they are right, the problems come marching in. I'm right, no I'm right, ok lets pick up explosives and argue about it. The problem also has to do with people having to hang on to their own interpretations tooth and nail. Faith does that to people. There is so much of the bible that is a story to explain natural order, and so much that is simply archaic. Women do not leave the city limits because they are menstruating anymore, even though the old testament law asks them of it. People were not scattered throughout the world and their tongues changed, their skin lightened/darkened because they were getting too close to god or too cocky, its a story. The bible was written by such fallable men. Much of the OT was written by kings who god didn't want on the throne, men no less. The bible still gives men dominion over women which is a sickness that unfortunately enters many homes to this day, and needs to end. Don't you ever lecture me on my understanding of Christianity btw, I attended Catholic school for fifteen years, was an altar boy, studied the bible extensively for years, memorized entire chapters, taught it to teenagers, attended 30+ diferent churches, went on mission trips, was a coordinator at a mission camp. I stopped in my tracks in sept. 2001, when church became to wrapped up in gov. and foreign affairs. Everything became way too much us vs. them for me to swallow. The hero of the bible dwelled within the them, and rarely condemned. Americans are too quick to judge and then say that they are not judging, but doing what they understand to be right by their set of rules. They do this while being the finantial elite of the world. Religion becomes a crutch for so many other things then. Things like dominion, commerce, laws, war, etc. Religion is not the set of moral values that a government should be set up on. Rome was the gov. at the time of all of the NT. Jesus did not set up a government. But, there... now I've set myself apart from you. I've stated that I am an open thinking individual, willing to allow god to exist outside of the boxes men attempt to put him in, and I've stated that you have to believe these strict dogmas of the church because, the universal church cannot deviate from its stone system. But the truth of the matter is, we are the same. God does not view us differently. Not if he created that soul within you. Every one of us are making failed and beautiful attempts at understanding. The second we allow ourselves to stop and say at any point, "THIS IS RIGHT/EXACT TRUTH", then we have cut ourselves off. I don't fear god one bit, even if my language is obsene, my understanding unconventional, my ways seperate from the pope's. I'll need a list of words I cannot say in here (for my next response) because I find none of them obsene, calling someone stupid or ignorant is obscene. Belittling a church body that is not your own is treasonous. Blind faith can be venomous if you've swallowed the wrong worm. Telling a stranger that their thoughts are a "load of garbage", I'll just let your everyday readership form their own opinions on that.

Terry Degnan

Terry,

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. To the extent you believe humility is a good quality, you are overwhelmingly right. I am sorry that you have lost your way. But Christ is always faithful. To paraphrase a popular song, He'll take you back, always... I pray that you will let Christ rule your heart.

In Christ,
Dave

"Terry,

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. To the extent you believe humility is a good quality, you are overwhelmingly right. I am sorry that you have lost your way. But Christ is always faithful. To paraphrase a popular song, He'll take you back, always... I pray that you will let Christ rule your heart.

In Christ,
Dave"

there is no reason to fear god, he is not the great smiter. fear is a way to keep people from branching out. fear allowed the germans to be complacent, fear allows us to go to unjust wars. fear drives our willingness to let our freedoms slip away from us. fear is on tv in the newspaper fear keeps parishoners in church. i'm not saying that it is all bad but in today's context it has been overwhelmingly abused. no one has lost their way over here, just seen the light. i don't need to be taken back, i need to be surrounded by logical believers. i need to be in communion with those that can see both sides to all issues not blinded by their convictions. i need someone other than you dave, and i know that those poeple exist.

terry

Terry,
In other words, you're looking for those that believe exactly what you do; and you don't want to concern yourself with those that actually believe?

As you say, Jesus did not set up a government, but He did set up a Church (Matt 16:18) and promise that no even the gates of hell would prevail against it.

The question is, Terry, what do you actually believe? Of course, there are many sinners in the Church; individuals who make mistakes, errors, or even worse. But isn't the Church a hospital for sinners after all? Do you expect every priest to be perfect? If so, you should remember than one of Jesus' handpicked twelve apostles actually betrayed Him. Why should we expect differently?

If you do believe the Bible, the Bible refers to the Church as the "pillar and foundation of truth" (1 Tim 3:15). Of course, the Bible also says exactly what Dave pointed out, that fear of God is the beginning of wisdom (this doesn't mean huddled-down shaking fear - it means a deep understanding that God gives you the power to take every single breath that comes out of your body).

I'd be interested in knowing anything you actually believe in.

God bless,
Jay

jay

i think you are arrogant. i think that your knowledge is unwise, and that you have found a perfect venue for those who believe in the things you agree with. i know this won't knock you down a peg, and i don't have any intention of hurting your feelings. things i actually believe: god exists. the bible is fallable. the church, in its many forms, is often misguided. there are many versions of the catholic church, not just one, to say otherwise would be to admit blindness. saying one religion is right is divisive, and bad things happen when people claim to be right. the church is capable, and does acheive many righteous and honorable things. the church does mass atrocities. religion is oftentimes a blanket of hope for people afraid to seek truth. fear (aka: lake of fire, satan, etc.) is a powerful tool for religion. i believe in work. i believe in compassion. i believe that those two things working together can move mountains. i believe that god works outside of man-made boxes. i believe god's word exists outside of the holy universal catholic church. i KNOW i won't be guided by fear, or swayed by fanatic bible thumping. i trust that loving my neighbor, inexplainable kindness, searching frantically for REAL truth, prayer, and humility, humility! can be a path for anyone to follow.

terry degnan

Speaking of humility, Terry. Francis of Assisi is an interesting example of humility and awareness. I would not accuse Francis of Assisi of being a bafoon based on your example of what you believe humility is, according to his example. You seem an angry person Terry. Is your anger really towards Jay? Or is it towards what you understand about Catholicism?

I see some of the things you ranted about Jay and realize that they bare false witness. I can say the same about some of the things you ranted about the Catholic Church. Nevertheless, I can embrace you as one of God's creatures. Even when I disagree with you.

God bless,
Eric.

Good article about Chuck. He represents everything that is wrong with the UCC. He is not capable of engaging in discussion on the issues which is why he regularly deletes any constructive criticism of his statements. If you are not a UCC (United Church of Christ) cheerleader, he doesn't want to hear from you. He lacks the maturity to engage discussion about the topics he writes on. I can't imagine him running a church - how scary is that.

The site isn't about intelligent commentary - since there is hardly any... it's mostly recycled press releases from the UCC or National Council of Churches. He also likes to play the victim when people challenge his ranting.

It sure is sad to see all the fighting going on back and forth on your site. You guys might want to spend some time cleaning up your own house before attacking me. For a bunch of Christians you sure are mean to each other.

Chuck,

We are discussing with each other the serious theological issues that separate Protestants and Catholics. We may appear to be "mean" to one another, but I don't believe that that is the spirit with which we post.

You on the other hand have left all serious theological discussion behind when you abandoned the very foundation of your faith, be that the literal interpretation of the Bible and/or Tradition. You believe as you see fit, you pick and choose which teachings in the Bible conform with your personal beliefs and discard the rest. As I have said before you have created a religion of your own making. You are a Chuckist. I personally can't and won't argue with a Chuckist because the foundations of what we believe are completely different.

If you truly consider yourself a Protestant then at least be consistant, and use the Bible as your authority, not that part of it that suits your fancy.

Thomas

jesus is the money of the season, what are you all BUYING your kids?

Things they need. How about you?

Chuck Currie is a self-absorbed moron. You can't debate him because he hates being proven wrong. Personally, I just ignore him anymore... no one visits his blog and there's no discussion or feedback... further evidence that people just ignore him.

Who is the antichrist? any takers ,no, then ill
tell you> Its the RCC....ok

Karl
How can you prove anti-christ is RCC?
Are you also from Iglesia ni Kristo?
Dixie

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