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Hi Jay;

Thank you for your post. This is a dark part of our Church which needs to be addressed honestly. Although I haven't read it yet, I wanted to draw your attention to a book I've heard about (and the reviews that go along with it). It's called 'Goodbye, Good Men' (go here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0895261448/103-2749332-3770224?v=glance )
It looks an interesting read.

Thank you for all the wonderful work you all do on this blog!
God bless,
Nickie

Jay,
Your comments are filled with excuses for what was intentional, negligent, criminal behavior. In my city, the resident criminal bishop is still in power, Cardinal Law has been reppointed overseas, and you honestly believe the church understands what has happened?
I will pray for you.
Janet Peroni

And I for you, Janet.

God bless,
Jay

I believe Janet has a point. What does everyone think about the reappointment of Cardinal Law? I believe he is a disgrace to our church, and this appointment is a setback in the healing process for all parishioners as well as the victims of abuse.
It is evident the seriousness of this issue has been overlooked by the Vatican.
Eileen

I believe Janet has a point. What does everyone think about the reappointment of Cardinal Law? I believe he is a disgrace to our church, and this appointment is a setback in the healing process for all parishioners as well as the victims of abuse.
It is evident the seriousness of this issue has been overlooked by the Vatican.
Eileen

Keep in mind that although the bishops made disastrous errors in dealing with abuse cases, they were acting in good faith upon wrong advice given to them by "expert" secular psychologists who assured them that offenders could be "cured" and that the offenders posed no future threat.

Now that Cardinal Law knows better than to listen to the hogwash fed to him by supposed experts outside the Church, I see no reason not to trust his judgement going forward and to re-appoint him.

We must remember that, unlike the actual perpetrators of abuse, Cardinal Law will most likely avoid repeating past mistakes.

It probably won't come as a huge surprise to many of you that I'm more with Eileen on this one. I know that people can change. I know that we are called to forgiveness. Change and forgiveness can walk hand in hand with discipline and accountability. Cardinal Law and the priests under him were treated in like manner by the Church: reassignment. This seems like a mistake. Regardless of whether they can or cannot, will or will not change, they must receive stiff consequences for their actions. We are told by St. Paul in his first letter to Timothy that "the bishop must be above reproach". (3:2) Unlike establishing doctrine, which must be measured solely by the Truth dispensed from the Holy Spirit to the Church, the treatment of bishops is very much correlated to how they are perceived by their flock. If they engage in such sin or error that they lose credibility with the flock, they can no longer lead the flock (I Tim. 3:4-5). They cause scandal to the universal Church. While not my decision to make, I am personally repulsed by the conduct of Cardinal Law and the priests that he ignored and/or reassigned. These actions destroyed the lives of countless children and the faith of many more. While these men may be forgiven, the rationale for allowing them to retain their positions of authority is beyond me. It simply causes more scandal and controversy. I know there is room for disagreement, but in this dialogue I hope we can agree that most important goal is the health of God's Church, not the protection of the wrongdoers in the Church. For more on how St. Paul dealt with such conflict, see I Cor. 5.

In Christ,
Dave

Dave,

You hit the nail on the head. Very well put.

Janet

Dave, for more on how St. Paul dealt with sinners who repent (and we have every reason to believe that Cardinal Law will not repeat past mistakes), see II Cor 2:5-11.

I find it particularly interesting what St. Paul says about refusal to forgive someone who makes mistakes and turns away from them. He says those who refuse to forgive have been outwitted by the devil. Jesus has sterner warnings to those who refuse to forgive.

Richard,

Are you suggesting that forgiveness mandates the return of priests and bishops to their positions of prominence after they have committed grave error? Your insistence that these men are truly repentant is for better men than I to judge. From the outside looking in, resort to lawyers (an ironic comment from me), public silence, and denials do not seem particularly penitent. Certainly the priest from the archdiocese of Seattle who claimed that the children really abused him with their constant desire to touch him did not appear very remorseful. Again, however, I am willing to forgive regardless of repentance, just as we all should. This is the very heart of the Gospel.

The issue here is not one of forgiveness; it is one of accountability. Cardinal Law need not be ousted from the Church or treated with contempt. That is not the same as saying that he should continue to serve as a bishop. Obviously his ordination cannot be revoked, but his position can be, and in my opinion should have been. Am I alone among the faithful Catholics on this blog in my disappointment with the lack of accountability meted out to the priests and bishops? If we seek respect for our Church, her traditions, and her authority, should we not demand respectiblity of those who guard her traditions and exercise her authority? This is not an issue of questioning that authority, but rather of enshrining it where no one can question it. St. Paul very astutely recognized that reproachable bishops would be a great illegitimizing force in the Church. A review of history will review the truth of this wisdom. Had we the Church of 1900 during the fourteenth through sixteenth centuries, the Protestant Reformation may have turned out to be just another anomaly on history's radar screen. The authenticity of the Church does not depend on the character of the bishops; the health of the Church on the other hand is very much correlated to their character.

Let us shed light on the dark corners. Let us hold the responsible parties accountable. Let us forgive. Let us move forward with an open, honest, pure, and healthy Church that may be esteemed by all. We must strive to be all things to all men.

In Christ,
Dave

I apologize if I did not make it clear that I was referring to the bishops who failed to deal with the misconduct of priests rather than the priests who committed crimes in the first place.

While both have made errors with disastrous consequences, I suggest that the nature of theirs are sufficiently different to warrant different treatment.

The priests suffer from sort of addiction/perversion which is unlikely to be rehabilitated with the reliability necessary to return them to active service.

The bishops made an error in judgement but do not suffer from addiction/perversion so they will most likely not repeat past errors.

Both groups should be held accountable for past actions, but looking to the future, I see reason to prevent the priests from returning to service, but I do not see reason to prevent the bishops from returning to service.

Richard,

The fault was not yours--I just over-generalized in response to your comment.

We can certainly agree that the priests should not return to service. This issue itself has been poorly dealt with by the Church. As far as I know, there are some offending priests still in service.

Regarding the bishops, this is certainly a much more difficult call. Obviously we are not talking about grave sin (to my knowledge), but rather a grave error. The reason why I personally think bishops who reassigned priests should be considered for removal has more to do with the credibility of the Church rather than the personal culpability of the bishop. The latter issue aside, the actions of those bishops have the "appearance of evil" if you take my meaning. That appearance is damaging to the Church as a whole.

Consider that the issue of appearance is precisely what St. Paul was talking about when he said that bishops must be above reproach. To be above reproach is a relative term. Certainly no bishop (even the pope) is above reproach by God or even the saints. They all have sinned and continue to sin. But the important thing is that they not appear to be mired in the sin of those they are leading. This would lead to an equivocation of laity and clergy that would be damaging to the perceived legitimacy of the clergy.

In this case, I think that is precisely what has happened. The bishops kept silent for years. They ignored and in many cases made positive attempts to cover up the sins of the priests. And when things got out of control they sought the assistance of attorneys rather than laying everything out in the open, asking for forgiveness, and seeking the assistance of God. Never mind the strong implication of personal culpability. Never mind the terrible example to the flock about how we should confront our own failings. The fact remains that there is a pervasive and foul scent surrounding this whole thing. It is reminiscent of Watergate or some other worldly political scandal. The Church has a strong duty to its flock, itself, and God to maintain the perception of honesty and transparency so that it may carry out its supreme mission. Regardless of anything else, the violent destruction of that perception brought about in large part by the conduct of these bishops justifies, in my mind, a thorough housecleaning that will demonstrate the committment of the Church to a Godly innocence.

Instead, the reassignments, continued foot dragging through the legal process, and sometimes even continued silence, have had the exact opposite effect. The result is that the Church plays right into the hand of popular anti-Catholic conspiracy books like "The DaVinci Code", "The Gospel According to Rome", and many others. My philosophy is the more open the better. Can't say that I have perfected its application in my own life, but knee-jerk reaction to duck and cover almost always proves harmful in the end and is most definitely contrary to the message of sanctification through suffering.

Added to all of this is the problem of orthodox Catholics "circling the wagons". This is perhaps even more unfortunate because to those upset by how the situation is being handled, there is message being sent that they either must keep quiet or throw in their lot with heretics in sheep's clothing who use this scandal to introduce false doctrine to the Church. There must be room for faithful Catholics to seek accountability out of this scandal.

Again, I acknowledge that this is a difficult issue about which reasonable people can disagree. And the Church has made some progress on opening up (i.e. the John Jay report among others). But for the most part, it seems like the Church has erred on the side of concealment rather than disclosure. I'm curious how others perceive this issue.

In Christ,
Dave

Dave,

I agree with just about all of your comments, and think your thoughts are very well expressed.

I do believe it is a matter of grave sin where the the bishops are concerned, and that this is not reserved for the offenders alone. I believe it was self serving church policy, and not error that caused these bishops to move offenders to other parishes. None of these bishops have been truly held responisible.

Pam,

Thanks for commenting. I can appreciate the feelings that you have about the way this situation has been dealt with. We should all continue to seek healing, which can only come through an equal measure of repentance, accountability, and forgiveness.

I would caution you, however, on the use of the term "grave sin", which is nearly synonomous with "mortal sin". The nature of what any individual bishop did or did not do is unique to that individual. Moreover, unlike sins of murder, rape, abortion, sodomy, and the like, reassigning a child molester is not something that is per se definable as a mortal sin. It is important that we maintain a healthy degree of separation between our frustration and our theology. It also bears mentioning that bishops are individuals like us, except that they have a level of responsibility that most of us cannot fathom. Vilification and vindictive retribution have no part in the Christian heart. Remember that with the measure we judge, so shall it be meted out to us.

To wrap this up on my end, I think we must first step out in an attitude of love, compassion, and forgiveness--not for the little ones, but for those who we perceive have injured them. This is precisely what Christ did for us. Only then can we seek accountability with true Christian charity. That having been said, we must not forget that accountability is an absolute necessity...

In Christ,
Dave

I must agree with Dave. Aren't these bishops
part of the Magisterum (not sure of spelling)?
Shouldn't the Holy Spirit be guiding the bishops
and the priests. It is very sad that these priests have given the RCC a black eye.

However I believe that this has more to do with
money. Hush money has been paid out to victoms.
And then the Bishops reassign these priests to
another church to continue to do more harm..
Forget being guided by the Holy Spirit I think
these bishops lacked common sense and logic ...

These pediphille priest should be prosecuted to
the full extent of the law. The church would
go a long way to heal and get back their credibility in this area if they would stop protecting these priests. They are afraid that
if they cooperate in the prosecution that they
may open the church up for laws suites and cash
judgements against the church..

The church does need some kind of screening process sad to say for priests. There must be
some kind of test out there that can help to
see if a potential priest has a tendency towards
this behavior..

The bishops should stop trying to Cover their
rear ends and do the right thing. It's up to the
leadership (The Pope and Bishops) to stop paying
lip service to this problem and cooperate in prosecution of these pedaphille priests..

If the church becomes visable in the condemnation and the prosecution of these priests I believe it would go far to restore confidence in the church and help in the healing
process. I haven't seen the church publically
be agressive in trying to really Solve this
problem... My Humble opinion ..

Grace & Peace,

Clem

Check out this link that follows.

Very soon, a national database of accused priests will be made available on the web to everyone around the world.

It is vitally important that people check this list in order to track down those priests and other clergy who have done evil and need to be brought to justice, including those bishops and cardinals who covered up these crimes. (It would be really amazing to see a bishop or cardinal spend some time in jail for a change)

This list will, hopefully, facilitate this process.

Our hat's off to the creators of this magnificent list to come early this year.

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/

Another related link to see:

http://www.votf.org/

CatholicWatch,
When are they going to create a national database of accussed protestant pastors? Studies show there are more protestant pastors accused of child molestation than Catholic priest (both as a percentage and a whole number). Maybe you could faciliate that process?

Remember, a church should be judged by those who obey it's commands, not by those who are living outside of the moral norms set by the church.

God bless,
Jay

Dear Jay,
ask the 1% abused by catholic priests if it would have made a difference if the abuser was protestant.
The pedophile priest acted agaist the church? Who did the church act against by hiding the fact it had pedophiles and transferring them to different locations after being aware of abuse?
Male or female victim? A pedophile is a pedophile. Not a homosexual or lesbian. Stop making excuses, hiding and shifting blame. This is really bad and it has been going on for years. Admit it, apologize, offer help to the victims and punish the perpetrators. Then humanity will propably forgive the church for it's cover up.
After all, humanity has forgiven the church for other things such as pillaging,slavery, torture and genocide.
The difference is this time the church has to account and pay for it's actions.
Welcome to today's world the real world! Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.27.02
Bombadier Wilfred P Settled D Diocesan Settled. Accused of abuse per diocesan records. Died. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.27.02
Boulanger Albert L. P Settled D Diocesan Settled 2002. Accused of abuse. Removed. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.27.02
Bulger Albion F. P Settled D Diocesan Settled 2002. Accused of abuse. Removed. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.27.02
Chalifour Gerard F. P Settled D Diocesan Settled 2002. Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.27.02
Connors Richard P Settled D Diocesan Settled 2002. Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.27.02
Constant Alfred P Settled D Diocesan Settled 2002, Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.27.02
Corriveau Ronald E. P Settled D Diocesan Settled 2002. Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.27.02
Cote Joseph A. P Accused D Diocesan Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH Fosters Daily Democrat 2.15.02
Cote Roland P Accused D Diocesan Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH Associated Press 12.23.02
Crowe Thomas P Settled D Diocesan Settled. Accused of abuse. Died. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 12.20.02
Densmore Robert J. P Settled D Diocesan Settled 2002. Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.27.02
Dowd Karl E. P Settled D Diocesan Settled 2002. Accused of abuse. Died. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.27.02
Duval Eduard P Accused D Diocesan Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH AG Report; Union Leader 3.4.03
Fleming Mark P Accused D Diocesan Admitted abuse. Resigned. Manchester, NH NH New Hampshire Telegraph 3.6.03
Fortier Roger A. P Convicted D Diocesan Convicted. Sexual abuse. Manchester, NH NH Boston Globe 8.8.98
Fournier Roger E. P Accused D Diocesan Accused of abuse per diocesan records. Manchester, NH NH AG Report; Union Leader 3.4.03
Gauthier Mark P Settled D Diocesan Settled 2002. Accused of abuse. Died. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.27.02
Groleau Paul P Settled D Diocesan Settled 2002. Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.27.02
Haller James P Accused D Diocesan Accused of abuse of girl. Admission. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.24.02
Hilary A. M. P Accused D Diocesan Accused of abuse per diocesan records. Manchester, NH NH AG Report; Union Leader 3.4.03
Jannetta Alfred P Settled D Diocesan Settled 2002. Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.27.02
Joyal Gerald P Settled D Diocesan Settled 2002. Accused of abuse. Died. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.27.02
Labbe Leo P Sued O Brothers of Sacred Heart Sued 2002. Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH Nashua Telegraph 11.23.02
Laferriere Raymond H. P Settled D Diocesan Settled. Accused of abuse of boy. Manchester, NH NH Associated Press 3.6.03
LaFlamme Albert B Accused O Brothers of Sacred Heart Accused of abuse. Died. Manchester, NH NH Associated Press 6.3.04
LaForest Conrad V. P Accused D Diocesan Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH Foster's Daily Democrat 2.15.02
Lamothe Francis P Settled D Diocesan Settled 2002. Accused of abuse. Died. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.27.02
Lamothe Harvey P Settled D Diocesan Settled 2002. Accused of abuse. Died. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.27.02
Lapoint Alfred P Settled D Diocesan Settled 2002. Accused of abuse. Died. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.27.02
Leclerc Maurice P Accused D Diocesan Accused of abuse. Died. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.27.02
Lemire Edmond P Settled X Extern Priest Settled 2002. Accused of abuse. Settled by Manchester, but was visiting priest from Canada. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.27.02
Lower Richard T. P Accused D Diocesan Removed 2002. Accused of abuse. Committed suicide. Manchester, NH NH Boston Globe 12.31.02
MacRae Gordon J. P Convicted D Diocesan Convicted 1994. Assault of 2 boys. 335-year sentence. Manchester, NH NH Boston Globe / AP 1.6.03
Maguire Joseph T. P Convicted D Diocesan Convicted 2004. Abuse of boys. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 5.4.04
Mann Hubert P Settled D Diocesan Settled 2002. Accused of abuse. Died. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 12.9.02
McMullen Francis P Settled D Diocesan Settled. Accused of abuse. Died. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 12.20.02
Meehan Andrew (Andy) P Accused D Diocesan Accused of abuse per diocesan records and AG report. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 3.4.03
Morel L. P Accused O order? Accused of abuse per diocesan records. Manchester, NH NH AG Report; Union Leader 3.4.03
Nolin John P Accused D Diocesan Removed 1994. Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 3 21 02
Osgood Donald P Settled D Diocesan Settled 2002. Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 11.27.02
Pelletier Eugene P Accused D Diocesan Removed. Now retired. Manchester, NH NH Fosters Daily Democrat 2.15.02
Petit Philip P Accused D Diocesan Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH Boston Globe / AP 1 6 03
Poirier John R. P Accused D Diocesan Removed 2002. Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH Foster's Daily Democrat 2.15.02
Richard Edward P Settled D Diocesan Settled 2003. Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 4.27.02; 6.3.03
Robichaud George P Accused D Diocesan Charged 2003. Mistrial. Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH AP 4.16.03 / AP 4.23.03
Scruton Stephen P Convicted D Diocesan Convicted 1980's. More allegations 1986. Manchester, NH NH Foster's Daily Democrat 2.15.02
Shea Leo P Convicted D Diocesan Convicted 1994. Abuse of boy, age 14. Manchester, NH NH CNN 10.30.02
Sullivan John T. P Accused D Diocesan Accused of abuse of girls. Manchester, NH NH Associated Press 4.27.03
Talbot Francis A. P Convicted D Diocesan Convicted 2002. Abuse of boy. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 12.17.02
Tancrede Roland P Accused D Diocesan Accused of abuse per diocesan records. Manchester, NH NH AG Report; Union Leader 3.4.03
Vadenboncoeur Paul P Settled D Diocesan Settled. Accused of abuse. Died. Manchester, NH NH Union Leader 12.20.02
Valliere Romeo J. P Accused D Diocesan Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH Foster's Daily Democrat 2.15.02
Vielett Roland P Accused D Diocesan Accused of abuse. Manchester, NH NH AG Report; Union Leader 3.4.03
Voglio John P Accused O order? Accused of abuse per diocesan records. Manchester, NH NH AG Report; Union Leader 3.4.03
Walsh Patrick P Accused O order? Accused of abuse per diocesan records. Manchester, NH NH AG Report; Union Leader 3.4.03
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Carne Joseph D. P Accused D Diocesan Resigned 2002. Allegations of abuse of child 20 years ago. Marquette, MI MI Daily Mining Gazette 7.13.02
Hoefgen Raymond P Accused D Diocesan Removed 2002. Accused of abuse. Marquette, MI MI Detroit Free Press 4.14.03
LaCosse Norbert Paul P Convicted D Diocesan Convicted 1991. Sexual assault. 6 years jail. Marquette, MI MI Daily Mining Gazette 7.13.02
Thoren Guy P Accused D Diocesan Removed 2002. Accused of abuse of child 25 years ago. Marquette, MI MI Daily Mining Gazette 7.13.02
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Duran Juan Carlos P Sued D Diocesan Sued. Accused of abuse. (Also charges in St. Louis.) Memphis, TN TN Commercial Appeal (TN) 9.29.04
Emala Walter P Accused D Diocesan Removed 1975. Accused of abuse. Memphis, TN TN Baltimore Sun 9.26.02
Mickey Richard P Sued D Diocesan Sued 2004. Accused of abuse. Memphis, TN TN Commercial Appeal (TN) 9.29.04
St. Charles Paul W. P Accused D Diocesan Removed 2004. Accused of abuse. Memphis, TN TN Kansas City Star / AP 1.6.05
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Banko John M. P Convicted D Diocesan Convicted 2002. Sexual abuse. 18-year sentence. Metuchen, NJ NJ Associated Press 12.11.02
Butler John R. P Settled D Diocesan Settled. Accused of abuse. Metuchen, NJ NJ NY Times 1.31.03
Cashman Michael P Settled D Diocesan Settled 2003. Accused of abuse. Metuchen, NJ NJ NY Times 1.31.03
DeFrias Hadmels P Arrested D Diocesan Arrested 2003. Accused of abuse. Metuchen, NJ NJ Star-Ledger 8.14.03
Dolak Mark P Settled D Diocesan Settled. Accused of abuse. Metuchen, NJ NJ Star-Ledger 1.30.03
Farrell George P Accused D Diocesan Accused of "inappropriate communication." Metuchen, NJ NJ Associated Press 5.21.03
Santillo Michael P Convicted D Diocesan Convicted. Died in prison. Metuchen, NJ NJ Star-Ledger 1.30.03
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Arandia Arnulfo P Sued D Diocesan Sued. Accused of abuse. Miami, FL Fl Miami Herald 1.22.04
Cassetta Charles P Sued D Diocesan Sued. Accused of abuse of girl at high school. Miami, FL FL Miami Herald 3.23.03
Castellanos Ricardo P Sued D Diocesan Sued 2002. Accused of abuse. Criminal charges not pursued because of SOL. Miami, FL FL Miami Herald 6.18.02
Cinesi Joseph P Settled D Diocesan Settled 1999. Accused of abuse. Miami, FL FL Miami.com 3.20.02
Doherty Neil P Sued D Diocesan Sued 2003. Accused of abuse. Miami, FL FL The Ledger / AP 9.5.03
Engbers Thomas P Accused D Diocesan Accused of abuse. Miami, FL FL Miami Herald 6.19.02
Garcia-Rubio Ernesto P Sued D Diocesan Sued 2002. Accused of abuse. Miami, FL FL Orlando Sentinel 6.22.02
Gonzalez-Abreu (m) Hector P Sued D Diocesan Sued 2003. Accused of abuse. Miami, FL FL Sarasota Herald Tribune / AP 11.20.03
Guichard Alvaro P Sued D Diocesan Sued 2002. Accused of abuse. Criminal charges not pursued due to SOL. Miami, FL FL Miami Herald 6.18.02; S. Florida Sun-Sentinel 8.25.03
Harris L. Yates P Sued D Diocesan Sued 2003. Accused of abuse 20 years ago. Died 1996. Miami, FL FL Miami Herald 3.13.03
Huck Joseph P Sued D Diocesan Sued 2003. Accused of abuse. Miami, FL FL Associated Press 6.21.03
Kershner Joseph P Accused D Diocesan Accused of abuse per DA. SOL prevents investigation. Returned to ministry. Miami, FL FL Sun Sentinel 8.3.02; 12.02; AP 12.5.02
Malicki Jan P Sued D Diocesan Accused of abuse. Miami, FL FL Miami Herald website 3.19.02
Nickse Jose Pablo P Sued D Diocesan Sued. Accused of abuse. Removed. Died. Miami, FL FL Lakeland Ledger 12.26.02; So. Florida Sun-Sentinel 2.4.03
Petrusic Anthony P Accused D Diocesan Removed 2002. Accused of abuse. Miami, FL FL South Florida Sun-Sentinel 8.21.02
Smith Trevor P Settled D Diocesan Settled 2003 for $500K. Accused of abuse. Miami, FL FL Miami Herald 9.23.03
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