March 12, 2004
Why Do Catholics Pray the Rosary?
This is an article long in coming, but certainly due. The Rosary. What is it? Why does it benefit one to pray it? Where did this prayer come from? How come I can't find it in the Bible? For many Catholics and Protestants alike these are common questions. So let us take a closer look at this incredible prayer.
The Rosary is a beautiful combination of vocal prayer and meditation that centers upon the greatest Gospel mysteries in the life of Jesus Christ and secondarily in the life of the Mother of Jesus. It is an "incarnational" prayer, a prayer consisting of both vocal and mental prayer that serves to incorporate both body and soul into spiritual communion with Our Lord. - Dr. Mark Miravalle, S.T.D., Introduction to Mary: The Heart of Marian Doctrine and Devotion, pg. 86This is very adequate summary of what the Rosary is. It is, as all prayers ultimately are, Christocentric (or focused on Christ), for in truth even the mysteries that focus on Mary only happened because Christ willed them to. But let's first look at the history of this prayer.
The origins of the rosary can be traced by to St. Dominic (d. 1221), founder of the Dominican Order. The basic concept of uniting the praying of the Hail Marys with the proclaiming and meditation on the Gospel mysteries of Jesus Christ can be traced to St. Dominic. But the structure of the Rosary continually developed between the 13th and 16th century. One hundred and fifty Hail Marys were said to reflect the one hundred and fifty psalms prayed by the various monastic communities in the Psalter or Divine Office. The actual use of rosary beads eventually became popular in order to keep count of the prayers. Eventually the fifteen "Our Fathers" were added to separate the Hail Marys into fifteen sets of ten Hail Marys called "decades." When this was done it became known as "Our Lady's Psalter," to incorporate the laity, most of whom couldn't read, into praying the liturgical prayer of the monastic communities which prayed the one hundred and fifty Psalms.
The number of mysteries likewise changed over time. At various times throughout the first two to three centuries (13th thru 15th century), anywhere from fifty to one hundred and fifty mysteries were meditated upon. The first precise replica of the Rosary as we know it today is historically referred to by Alan of Rupe, another Dominican friar (d. 1475).
The Rosary was officially approved by the Church in 1569. The Apostolic Constitution Consueverant Romani Pontifices was issued by Pope St. Pius V approving the basic form that we know today. By the time this was done the second part of the Hail Mary had likewise been officially formulated. According to the papal documents, the only prayers that are absolutely necessary for the praying of the Rosary are the 15 Our Fathers and the 150 Hail Marys, but traditionally other prayers have been added.
So now that we have briefly covered the history of the Rosary, let's look at the structure of the Rosary as we know it today. First the mysteries:
The Joyful Mysteries First Mystery: The Annunciation - The Angel Gabriel announcing to Mary the coming of the Christ Second Mystery: The Visitation - Mary's visit to her cousin Elizabeth Third Mystery: The Nativity - The Birth of Jesus Fourth Mystery: The Presentation of Jesus in the Temple Fifth Mystery: The Finding of Jesus in the TempleThe Sorrowful Mysteries
First Mystery: The Agony of Jesus in the Garden
Second Mystery: The Scourging of Jesus at the Pillar
Third Mystery: The Crowning of Jesus with Thorns
Fourth Mystery: The Carrying of the Cross
Fifth Mystery: The Crucifixion and Death of Our Lord on the CrossThe Glorious Mysteries
First Mystery: The Resurrection of Our Lord
Second Mystery: The Ascension of Our Lord
Third Mystery: The Descent of the Holy Spirit upon Mary and the Apostles
Fourth Mystery: The Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary into Heaven
Fifth Mystery: The Crowning of Our Lady as Queen of Heaven and Earth
This is how the Rosary is said:
1. Make the Sign of the Cross and say The Apostles' Creed
2. Say the Our Father
3. Say Three Hail Marys
4. Say the Glory Be to the Father
5. Announce the First Mystery; then say the Our Father
6. Say 10 Hail Marys
7. Say the Glory Be to the Father
8. Say the O My Jesus
9. Announce the Second Mystery; then say the Our Father, 10 Hail Marys, the Glory Be to the Father and the O My Jesus.
10. Announce the Third Mystery; then say the Our Father, 10 Hail Marys, the Glory Be to the Father and the O My Jesus.
11. Announce the Fourth Mystery; then say the Our Father, 10 Hail Marys, the Glory Be to the Father and the O My Jesus.
12. Announce the Fifth Mystery; then say the Our Father, 10 Hail Marys, the Glory Be to the Father and the O My Jesus.
13. Conclude by saying the Hail, Holy Queen.
I know that there are other prayers that some add to the Rosary at the end, namely the prayer to St. Michael, but what I have listed above is the basic structure of the Rosary.
Meditating on the Mysteries of the Rosary provides an opportunity to focus in on the primary events in Our Lord's life as well as those of His Mother. It sole function is to lead us closer to Christ and to His Mother, for just as Jesus is our Brother, so Mary is our Mother. True devotion to Mary is simply this, recognizing Mary for who she is and continually striving to imitate her perfect imitation of her Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ. Meditative prayer is vital for the spiritual growth of any Christian and the praying of the Rosary is a complete meditative prayer. It requires us to set aside time for prayer, for meditation on the Gospel mysteries.
In a future post I will list the actual prayers. Until then many of these can be found listed on the EWTN website at:
www.ewtn.com/Devotionals/prayers/prayers.htm
Our Lady of the Rosary. Pray for us.
In Christ,
Joe
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Joe,
Thank you for writing about this topic. I knew people wanted the info and I have been toying with ideas in my head, but due to circumstances beyond my control have been unable to sit down and write an article on the rosary. I just wanted to add to your article that Pope John Paul II recently added the Luminous Mysteries or Mysteries of Light to the rosary to be said once a week on Thursdays except for during Lent when we only meditate upon the Sorrowful Mysteries.
The Luminous Mysteries include
First Mystery: The Baptism in the Jordan
Second Mystery: The Wedding at Cana
Third Mystery: The Proclamation of the Kingdom of God
Fourth Mystery: The Transfiguration
Fifth Mystery: The Institution of the Eucharist
Catholicism is wrong! Read your bible! God's bible! Not the one that the catholics have changed around! Turn to God the right way. Christianity. OFr tommorow is not promised!!!
Posted by: Ebony at August 25, 2004 5:31 PMNot to insult you Ebony, but your view of history is pretty funny. You say read "God's Bible", not the one catholics have changed around, but any one that picks up a history textbook could tell you that the Catholic Bible was around for over 1000 years before the Protestant one and the Protestant one is the one that is changed. If you want to argue that your bible is valid for other reasons thats fine, but you clear lack of any historical perspective us not.
Posted by: Tom Ace at August 25, 2004 9:20 PMThe bible whether catholic or protestant have the same issues that point to God. Praying to God or God in Jesus's name is correct. The New Testament states not to divide ourselves over how we are taught to worship, IE) I was taught by Paul while the other was taught by Peter. Since Peter and Paul were both correct. My point is this, as humans including the Church, both CATHOLIC and Protestant have made mistakes. The Catholic church needs to read it's bible more. The Catholic church was doing shady things. That happens when people in any organization have to much power or PRIDE! That was one cause of the reformation. Praying to anyone else besides God is against the commandments. That would include praying to Mary and the saints. Besides was it not Jesus that died on the cross for our sins. I don't believe any of the saints died for our sins. Also the saints were not God in human form, IE) Jesus Christ. That is why when I pray the Eccumenical Rosary/Anglican Rosary., I meditate on Scripture, which I read from a catholic bible. I was raised Catholic but turned Protestant after studying the bible. The Protestants need to read scripture more as well. As Christians we need to come together to form a common bond. Otherwise we will fall. As the scripture says, A house divided against itself cannot stand. I also want to say this, what better place for the devil to hide is inside a church, synogogue, or mosque? That is where he can make the most destruction by distorting the truth.
Posted by: cb at November 22, 2004 9:12 PMWhy do we say so many Hail Mary's with the Rosary?
Posted by: kim at January 6, 2005 6:16 PMis it necessary to keep on repeating the prayers in the rosary? how do we reconcile it with Mt 6:7 on pagans custom of repeating their prayers? tnx
Posted by: rye at April 29, 2005 4:40 AMRye,
Great questions! I decided to answer your questions with an article on this topic.
I hope it answers your questions.
In Christ,
Joe
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Your quote from above states the rosary centers upon Jesus primarily, and Mary secondarily. The following is taken from www.catholicdoors.com:
The Holy Rosary is one of three Sacramentals that the Blessed Virgin Mary has given to the Holy Catholic Church. In the thirteenth century, Mary gave the Rosary as a powerful weapon to mankind to combat the evils that were in this world as a result of the spiritual battle that is taking place between Satan and God. Since then, the blessings received through this Sacramental are beyond man's count.
STEP 6: The Rosary Breakdown:
The Holy Rosary consists of 20 decades.
A decade consists of: 1 Our Father
10 Hail Mary's
1 Glory Be.
To pray an entire Rosary, you must pray 20 times: the "Our Father," 10 "Hail Mary's" and the "Glory Be" in that order. Prayed 20 times = 20 “Our Fathers“; 20 “Glory bes” and TWO HUNDRED HAIL MARYS. That doesn't sound like the rosary is focusing on Jesus, or even God primarily.
Posted by: ron at July 15, 2005 12:44 PMRon,
You'll have to explain to me how the Rosary doesn't focus entirely on the Gospel. After all the prayers of the Rosary are pretty much straight from the Bible. The meditations focus on the life of Christ. The Rosary is the prayer of the Gospels in a very real sense.
God bless,
Jay
Hello Jay,
On the surface, it does. But then consider the fact that 1: it is unscriptural; 2: in the prayers it focuses on Mary 20 times more than God or Jesus, and 3: the Hail Mary prayer itself is wrong because it calls Mary the Mother of God (she wasn't; she was the mother of Jesus, our Lord and Savior). It also calls for her to pray for us, which she can't because she's dead and, much more importantly, we already have Jesus to intercede for us.
Posted by: Ron at July 15, 2005 6:03 PMRon,
A couple of comments:
- Was Jesus God? I hope you believe so, Ron.
- Do you believe that when people die they are cut off from the body of Christ? If so, much Scripture should be rewritten to agree with you.
- Do you ever ask you friends or family to pray for you? If so, they are interceding on your behalf, which according to your statement above is in error. Jesus is the one intercessor between God and men, but this doesn't mean we can't ask others to intercede between us and Jesus. Thankfully, protestants didn't throw out all of this - as I stated you still ask others to pray for you.
I recommend you read The Blessed Virgin Mary and the Bible and Praying to the Saints.
God bless,
Jay
Jay,
The difference is I don't ask dead people to pray for me. My friends/family are alive to offer prayers TO GOD, IN JESUS' NAME. And they aren't interceding on my behalf. They are asking JESUS, since he's the only one that can intercede. That's what praying in Jesus' name is all about.
You said "Jesus is the one intercessor between God and man, but this doesn't mean we can't ask others to intercede between us and Jesus". Since Jesus is God, and God's word says we have ONE, that's exactly what it means.
Posted by: Ron at July 19, 2005 5:46 PMRon,
So you believe we are cut off from the body of Christ when we die?
By the way, your friends and family are acting as intercessors. I recommend you look up the word in a dictionary to better understand it.
God bless,
Jay
Yes Jay, you are correct. I was relating the word "intercede" with "mediator". And friends/family do make intercessory prayer on our behalf. I stand corrected.
That being said, no, I don't believe that we are cut off from the body of Christ when we die. But that still doesn't mean dead people can intercede on our behalf.
Posted by: Ron at July 19, 2005 10:36 PMAll,
Don't pray the rosary, it's wrong. Please, Jesus is the only one who saves us. "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given amont men, whereby we must be saved"(Acts 4:12) That means no Mary and no saints. In addition, the Rosary beads are a form of an idol.
Definition of idol:
1. an image of a god, used as an object or instrument of worship
Saying hail Mary over and over doesn't get you to God, it doesn't even get you to Mary, for she is dead.
David
David, will God toss the Archangel Gabriel into everlasting fire for saying "Hail Mary, full of Grace, blessed art thou among women"?
Posted by: Broken Record at September 19, 2005 11:13 AMDavid,
I don't consider my Rosary as "an image of God". I consider it a sacramental that I use to help me focus on prayer and help me to keep the clutter of the world off my mind for awhile so that maybe I can hear what God is saying to me. As I'm praying the Rosary I'm thinking about Jesus' life or my family or a tough situation I'm in - I'm not worshiping Mary. I also pray with my Bible in my hand and consider it very special, would you consider that an idol as well?
Tom
Dear Broken Record and Tom,
Did I say you would go to Hell if you respected Mary? All Gabriel did was say something respectful to her WHILE SHE WAS ALIVE.
Since she isn't alive, she can't do anything, I already went over that. What I didn't go over was Deuteronomy 18:10-12,"There shall not be found among you anyone that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits (familiar spirits are the dead according to the Catholic bible), or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee."
Of course Jesus was an exception because he rose the dead in the name of God.
Tom, no I do not think praying with your Bible in your hand is idolatry, unless of course you pray TO your bible, which you probably do not. It doesn't matter what you consider your Rosary, whether it is an image of God or not, it is what it is.
If I am not mistaken, the Rosary has a crucifix at the end of it, the same type of crucifix that Catholics bow down to and make the sign of the cross to at mass. Exodus 20:4-5 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquities of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me..."
Also, in 1 Timothy 2:5, it shows you that JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO GOD, AND HUMANS CAN GET TO JESUS THEMSELVES IF THEY JUST TRY "For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus" It is okay to pray with a friend, or ask someone to pray for you WHO IS STILL LIVING. They are human which is man, and Christ Jesus is who they should be praying to. Since they are still living, they can be heard.
Mary may be special because she had Jesus, our savior, but that does not mean she did not sin, or is not human like you or me. Of course she sinned, it says that in Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God"
Last, I will quote one last Scripture. I use this one a lot, but it says all I need it to say.
Ecclesiastes 9:5 says that "The living know that they shall die, but the dead know not anything: nor do they have any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten"
Please, tell me where it says Mary did not sin, tell me where it says she is in Heaven, and tell me where it says to pray to her. I thought it says to pray to Jesus alone, he IS the only Mediator of course.
David
Everybody,
Hello there. I'm just curious. You can tell by my name. Can someone just give me a rundown on the Catholic religion. I hear they have Holy traditions from many of my friends who are Catholic, I just want to know what that is about. Why do they have Mass? How come there are so many statues in their Churches?..they look cool. why are the popes always so old? no offence. Who do they worship? This is just a few questions. Make sure that you write me back a message.
I wasno't really sure which topic to put these questions under, so i just picked one.
Posted by: Curious Kid at September 20, 2005 10:52 PMCurious Kid,
The statues are of people who loved God in extraordinary ways. At Mass, the priest asks God to change bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus so we can offer it to him as sacrifice, worship Jesus who appears as ordinary bread and wine, and consume his flesh and blood as he ordered us to do. Popes are usually old because they became a bishop before that, became a priest before that, and went through seminary before that.
Posted by: Broken Record at September 21, 2005 11:15 AMCurious,
There's a really good book that can answer your questions best;
"This is Our Faith" by Michael Francis Pennock.
It's easy reading and covers the basics of Catholicism
Posted by: Tom at September 21, 2005 5:43 PMNo response? Sorry I can't tell because my computer does not update right away.
Posted by: David at September 21, 2005 10:02 PMDavid,
It took me a couple of days to look up & read the verses you mentioned, and you have good concerns here. It seems as though you know your Bible well!
In Deuteronomy & Exodus, it seems to me that it is talking about believing in things, people, spirits other than and separate from God Himself.
I do not believe my Rosary is an idol that I worship and that it has a power of its own. I fully understand God is the only God and all my worship goes to Him. Any prayers I say are for God. The Scriptures you cited seem to me are talking about people who thought psychics or golden calves or whatever were god in themselves and separate from the true God. People can and do replace God with things, but that is not the intention of the rosary.
As for praying to “dead people” and asking them to pray for us, I don’t really see the problem. I am not asking dead people for advice or messages or think they have power to do things other than pray with me to God.
In reference to Ecclesiastes 9:5, I believe this is Pre-Christ and before Jesus went to “prepare a place” for us.
And about Mary, there are people who in my opinion get a little carried away about her, but that is not the teaching from the Catholic Church. Mary was a pretty special don’t you think? God sent and Angel who told her she was full of Grace or Favor. I believe this in original transcript saying she was incredibly special in God’s eyes – of course she was, she was chosen to give birth to God’s Son. We as Catholics honor her for this and for the example she gave us as to how to respond to God’s calling – May it be done to me according to your word. She became a servant to whatever God desired.
No it is not in the bible that she was without sin, it is implied in Gabriel’s words and it is deduction - how could Jesus be born from someone with sin?
As far as Mary being in heaven, I think if she didn’t make it, none us will. On the cross, Jesus appointed Mary as our mother. As children, we find comfort in our mothers; we seek them when we need comforting. We all are the children of God.
I know I’m not the greatest writer nor am I a bible scholar, but this is my faith as I truly believe it.
Tom
Tom,
I respect you Tom because you go with your faith and what you truly believe. But I am telling you what I believe, and I just hope you hear me out.
From what I hear, Catholics have patron Saints of many things, arts, sports, things like that. Well, why have a patron saint of something if you don't expect that saint to send you messages or give you advice on that subject.
If you don't think of your rosary that way, then no, i don't "condemn" you or blame you. But I still know and see that Catholics bow down to the cross and pray to it, and do the sign of the cross, when they get into the church. Sorry to say it, but that Cross in the church is Man Made. Don't bow or do the sign of the cross to it or revere it, it's just an item, not the real thing.
Another thing Catholics can't understand is that the dead are DEAD. They can't pray for you, or intercede, or do anything. And Ecclesiastes is not before there was a place prepared for us. From what I see in the Bible, Enoch is obviously in Heaven, for he walked with God. Moses and Elijah are too. They are exceptions because it tells us in the bible that they were taken up. It does NOT however, tell us that Mary was taken up, or that she was sinless. This brings me to my next point.
Of course Mary was special, i agreee to that. The thing is, SHE was HUMAN, and her parents were human, which mean she was born into sin. If your logic is correct, then that means that for Jesus to stay pure, Mary had to stay pure, but for Mary to stay pure, her mom had to be pure as well. Well, this must mean that her family must have been pure all down the line until Adam and Eve. We know they weren't sinless because they are the cause of original sin. Jesus is the way out of this sin. Grace does not mean sinlessness. Romans 3:23 AND 24 says "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" The reason God gives us his grace is BECAUSE WE HAVE SINNED. Although his grace redeems us from sin, that does not mean we have never sinned, for if we have never sinned, there would be nothing to redeem us from.
And about Mary being in Heaven. I don't think she us because the Bible does not say she is. We do not have the right to judge others, on God has that right. You cannot say that if Mary isn't in there, none of us can be. She was a great person and role model, but we should not pray to her, ask her to help us, or say that she didn't sin. This is in no way biblical.
Just think about the things I've just said, maybe it'll change you're mind?
David
Posted by: David at September 22, 2005 11:14 PMThere is a difference between reverencing something for what it signifies and worshipping an object.
If God wanted Mary to be born without original sin, then that’s the way it was, whether we understand how it worked or not.
You don’t think Mary is in Heaven because the Bible doesn’t say so – I’m not sure how to respond to that, I believe she is.
The Bible is not a tool to be dissected and argued with verse by verse and I’ll not do that.
We should be talking about the things we have in common and not go on about differences.
As we say in our Church – May the peace of the Lord be with you.
Tom,
You should not REVERENCE anything for what you think it signifies. That thing is Man-made!
God did NOT make Mary sinless. I don't even know where you get that. It even says she sinned in the Bible. God (Jesus), is the only One who has not sinned. Saying Mary did not sin is putting her in God's position.
You said "You don’t think Mary is in Heaven because the Bible doesn’t say so – I’m not sure how to respond to that, I believe she is."
Why do you believe she is in Heaven. The Bible doesn't say so. In fact, it says she isn't. Everyone will go to heaven at the same time.
1 Thessalonians 4: 14-18 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which SLEEP in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the world of the Lord, that we which are alive and are remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are ASLEEP. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the DEAD IN CHRIST shall RISE first: Then we which are alive and rem,ain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words"
I'm not saying Mary won't go to heaven. I'm saying that when she does, it will be at the same time as when all the righteous go to heaven. the Lord will descend with a SHOUT, so everyone will see him and hear him. The dead will rise first, meaning that they aren't risen yet, duh. If they are already in Heaven, why would they have to be risen?
How do you think it is wrong to disect the Bible verse by verse? You can't learn anything by taking off more than you can chew. Start off small and learn more and more gradually. Yes, it is to be dissected. Of course the Bible is not a tool, but yet, dissecting it verse by verse is okay as long as you don't change anything about it. There can't be anything wrong with that because the Bible does not contradict itself.
As for your last comment...What would we learn from the Bible if everyone talked about what they have in common? Not much. We need to focus on our differences, not for the sake of argument, but because you only learn through mistakes. If everyone focused on the same thing with the same views, who's to know what's right on other important issues?
As we say in church - Happy Sabbath! : )
Posted by: David at October 7, 2005 11:10 PMI just wanted to write that after reading the endless "exchange" or "intellectual/spiritual discussion" by Tom and David, I was very sad! Although I will not even try to jump into their exchanges,(to quote, define or "prove"), I have to say that it seemed very hostile and angry...on David's part/helplessness on Tom's. Both of you seem to have very strong opinions and it is unlikely that you have influenced or changed one another's opinions. What was the point??? To feel bitter? Resentful? Frustrated??? My hope for both of you is that you try to love one another as Jesus loves you.
God's peace be with you!
Kathleen, did you ever think that David's words were an act of love aimed at saving the soul of Tom from the sin of Mary worship? Is it possible that Tom's words were an attempt to share with David a beautiful aspect of the Christian life that would bring abundance and joy to David's journey? Perhaps they already do love one another as Jesus loves them.
Part of the Christian life is to try and instruct one another. Even if the attempt fails, it is still worth the attempt because each soul is precious to the Lord.
Posted by: Broken Record at October 19, 2005 12:39 AMI truly am sorry if I seemed hostile. I didn't mean for it to be that way.
David
P.S. Thank you Broken.
Posted by: David at October 21, 2005 9:47 PMInteresting conversation going back and forth between two very honest and God fearing individuals.Tom and David. What comes to me from the conversation between both of you is that you both love the Lord very much. That is a good thing! I am 40 years a Protestant and realize that there are many things not answered correctly in my beliefs. I have been seeking to understand more about Catholicism. Never thought I would travel down this road! But as someone once said,'not all who wander are lost'. I love the Lord with all my heart and soul and am firmly convinced that the soul who truly loves and reveres Him will not be forsaken by Him. One of the great mysteries of faith and has nothing to do with denomination. Not to mention the fact that 2,000 years have passed since our Lord walked this earth. I wonder sometimes if He looks at us and wonders how his teachings ever got so convoluted and mis-understood. What do you all think??? Elaine
Posted by: Elaine at October 29, 2005 12:35 AMDear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
For those with a sincere and contrite heart; the rosary is simply, contemplative prayer.
Peace and Blessings to all of you,
Charlene
Please give more detailed proofs as to the order of the catholic popes fro St. Peter to Pope Benedict xvi. Also pls discuss the inscription in the pope's cap/hat!
Posted by: Rene at November 2, 2005 3:48 AMDear Charlene from what I keep reading about the rosary yes it is all based on scripture and contemplative prayer seems to be what it is all about. Focusing on the Lord above all else.And from everything I keep reading about Catholic views of Mary she tells us again and again to look to her blessed son Jesus and His Immaculate Heart. How can that possibly be wrong? That is exactly what the Holy Spirit is all about too. I am learning more and more all the time as I read!
Elaine
Dear Elaine,
Our Dear Lord most certainly has an Immaculate Heart. Any attribute of Gods Love is also reflected in Mary, for their hearts are united in One. We are also invited to be united to His heart and be of One heart and mind in Christ, Jesus. A mystery of love, His Most Sacred Heart- Elaine, ponder. His Most Sacred Heart is the Holy of Holies. I will pray for you...please dear sister, pray for me. As it says in James 5, we should pray and encourage one another. Charlene
Dear Charlene, haven't checked in here for a bit sorry it has taken so long for me to answer. Yes! I am in agreement with His heart being the Holy of Holies! New Testament fulfillment of the old before our eyes isn't it. The more I study Catholicism the more I see the truths of God open before my eyes.It is incredible.About the papal succession,in the front of my bible is the complete the line from Peter to Pope John-Paul.
I pray and study daily have for many years.Believe so strongly we are living in the Time of the End.And it is not going to be what we think will happen. I was once a pre trib believer.That is a wonderful hope but that is the easy way out of our problems and suffering. We are called to suffer in this life and that is not a positive modern day preaching topic in the Christian church!
Well this is getting long.And it is about 3:30am. I couldn't sleep.Worry over paying bills.Fun.....my stress In Christ! Elaine
Explain to me how you can have 1 God in 3 different persons?
Posted by: GH at November 26, 2005 10:10 AMGH,
Your question assumes we can understand everything. Clearly, the human mind has limits in understanding - would you agree?
The fact that this is a basis for Christianity is another argument for the truth of Christian faith. No other religion has every used a concept such as this and we would argue that it could not be invented - it was taught to us by God.
God bless,
Jay
Dear Elaine,
Advent is here. This beauty of preparation is "in the hiddenness of the quiet chamber of Nazareth, the power of the Holy Spirit came upon the Virgin praying in solitude, & brought about the Incarnation of the Savior. Assembled around the silently praying Virgin, the nascent Church awaited the promise, the coming of the Holy Spirit that was to vivify them into inner enlightenment & fruitful external activity... (such as will be in your silent fruitful prayer which will prepare) those widely visible events of Church's history that renew the face of the earth." (St. Edith Steine, O.C.D.)
Be at peace my dear friend in Christ. God is so pleased with your efforts to pay your bills. This is God's commandment to do so; render to Caesar to Caesar, but do not forget- render to God to what is God's. Adore Him and give Him thanks,& appease His dear Sacred Heart.
My prayers for you will always be, but Elaine this will be my last posting as I've chosen not to subscribe to internet service...Good bye and May God Bless You, +Charlene
This is so frusterating, im stuck between a rock and a hard place, i know that there are alot of things that protestants and catholics do not agree on, but we are all just trying to accomplish the same thing, to lead good CHRISTIAN lives and make it into heaven, why must we argue about our religions so much? like what is said above, we should NOT divide oursleves by how we were taught to worshop, but rather unify for our common cause! by fighting and arguing that one religion is better than another we are sinning, is that so hard to comprehend and understand?
Posted by: frusterated at January 4, 2006 5:56 PMFrusterated,
Be not afraid. The arugment as you call it is about the fullness of truth. As Catholics we are desire to bring the fullness of truth to all who will listen...it is our duty. Sadly, the schisms and revolts that have occurred over the centuries have stunted the opportunity for Christian unity. Jesus' prayer for all of us to the Father was that we may all be one as he and the father are one. So how can we say that we have accomplished his prayer by the splintering of his body. There is a perfection of unity between the Father and Son and in very few ways do protestants and Catholics reflect that perfect unity. Christ and the Father cannot be divided IN ANY WAY and neither should his followers. That is why the Catholic Church does so much to try and bridge the gap in ecumenical endeavors to restore the unity that once was. This can be seen from the joint resolution with the Lutherans on justification, to the most recent talks with the Anglican, and Orthodox churches to seek communion with the Catholic Church. So frustrated the "argument" and "fight" for lack of better terms are well worth it if it brings us to a unification of Christians which shines the healing and perfect light of Christ for all to see. There is strength and power in unity and we need to look no further than the Father and the Son to see this.
In Truth,
Matthew
Hi guys,
I do not wish to get into any long discussions or arguments for the purpose of influencing others as I believe that each person has to make their own decision and are held accountable no matter what... therefore each has to make their own decision to be baptised as Jesus made his own.
However I do wish to point out that the people on this site defending the catholic church keep on recommending other books which were not inspired by God but rather, were inspired by the Catholic church to everyone else.
Why not just refer the curious to the bible? afraid they won't see things the Catholic way?
Don't say it's just cause it's easier to read, cause that would be undermining God, He ain't stupid. And everything was written for a reason.
I grew up a Catholic but when I couldn't get answers to questions, such as why we say the Hail Mary, why we have so manys statues when God killed for having idols in his church, why is everything so repetitive as the hedons have it, why do I need to say so many words of prayer? why couldn't I hear God's voice ( - because I was always speaking in the long repetitive prayer, God didn't get a chance) etc. etc. It just didn't make sense.
I stopped going to MASS and decided I will read the bible on my own and prayer for truth to be revealed to me. I then found out that this was good as in 1 Thessalonians 5 he said we must TEST all things.
For all those who have questions, just do the research yourself, and don't get angry when listening to other's interpretation of the bible, just listen and ask God to reveal the truth.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Kira
Posted by: Kira at June 11, 2006 5:13 PMHi Kira,
Actually we constantly refer to the Bible on this site - especially the second half of John 6 where Jesus specifically says we have no life in us if we do not eat His flesh and drink His blood.
Just to clarify, we point out other books only when they help explain the errors made by the protestant churches when they either removed books of the Bible in the 1,600's or completely reinterpreted passages that were taught the same way from the early Church on.
By the way, a statue isn't an idol unless you worship it as a God. Also, how do you interpret 1 Timothy 3:15 where the Bible calls the Church the "pillar and bulwark of Truth"? Or Ephesians 3:8-10 where Paul states that now "through the church the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known"?
I recommend you take a glance at our post Bible verses that only Catholics can explain.
Keep searching and I firmly believe God will lead you back to His Church. Remember, God founded the Catholic Church in Matthew 16:18 and promised that it would never fail.
God bless,
Jay
Kira, I have two questions:
If someone took the time to answer all your questions and wrote them down in a book, would you read the book or would you ignore it because it was not the Bible?
Like you, I had questions/objections and left the Church, stopped going to Mass. But I returned after my objections were answered. Are you willing to do the same?
Posted by: Broken Record at June 12, 2006 10:56 AMBrothers and sisters,
Please pray for me, currently I am in RCIA. After searching for four years I am ready to learn more about the Catholic church. God has been using EWTN network and beautiful people in my life to change my heart. My family is very anti-catholic and have had a really hard time with me going to a Catholic church. Please pray for me and them....I have yet to find the right way to tell them that I am in the class. Thankyou and may God's peace be with you.
Candace, is your family Protestant?
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