January 28, 2004

John Kerry: His Voting History Record

As Christians, I believe it is critical for us to be proactive in knowing what presidential hopefuls have voted for or against in the past. Action speaks louder than words. Jay has asked the question, how can any Christian vote for a Democrat. I think this voting history of Senator John Kerry will help to explain why. The biggest issue with the Democratic Party is that they maintain a pro-choice/pro-abortion platform. If a man is for killing innocent children, than I believe it is physically and morally impossible for him to be considered a man of sound judgment and reason. Rather it demostrates that he lacks the most basic reasoning skills and is ultimately unjust. Sen. Kerry's record is anything but consistent.

Below I have listed a link to the National Right to Life Committee website where all candidates voting records are available.

Key Votes

Name of Legislation voted score
Agreed To Medicare Modernization Act: passage 11/25/2003
Agreed To Medicare Modernization Act: critical procedural vote 11/24/2003
Passed Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 10/21/2003
Rejected Funding of overseas pro-abortion organizations ("Mexico City Policy") 07/09/2003
Rejected Abortion in military medical facilities 05/22/2003
Passed Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003: passage 03/13/2003
Rejected Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act: Feinstein Substitute 03/12/2003
Agreed To Harkin Amendment to endorse Roe v. Wade 03/12/2003
Rejected Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act: Boxer Motion 03/12/2003
Agreed To Ban on abortions in military medical facilities 06/21/2002
Passed Shays-Meehan (McCain-Feingold) "campaign finance reform" 03/20/2002
Passed McCain-Feingold "campaign finance reform" 04/02/2001
Agreed To Ban on abortions in military medical facilities 06/20/2000
Passed Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act 10/21/1999
Rejected Baby body parts ("fetal tissue") 10/21/1999
Agreed To Roe v. Wade endorsement 10/21/1999
Failed killing Roe v. Wade endorsement 10/21/1999
Rejected McCain-Feingold "campaign finance reform" 10/19/1999
Rejected Shays-Meehan "campaign finance reform" 10/19/1999
Agreed To Ban on federal employees' abortion coverage 07/01/1999
Agreed To Ban on abortions in military medical facilities 05/26/1999
Rejected Child Custody Protection Act -- Cloture Vote 09/22/1998
Partial-Birth Abortion Ban--Veto Override 09/18/1998
Rejected Abortions in military medical facilities 06/25/1998
Agreed To State Department authorization bill 04/28/1998
Agreed To Medicare: right to purchase unrationed insurance 04/01/1998
Rejected McCain-Feingold "campaign finance reform" 02/25/1998
Rejected McCain-Feingold "campaign finance reform" -- Cloture Vote 10/08/1997
Agreed To Federal employees' abortion coverage 07/22/1997
Rejected Abortions in military medical facilities 07/10/1997
Rejected Abortion coverage in S-CHIP ("kid care") 06/25/1997
Agreed To Medicare: right to purchase unrationed insurance 06/25/1997
Passed Partial-Birth Abortion Ban 05/20/1997
Passed Assisted Suicide Funding Restriction Act 04/16/1997
Agreed To Clinton unrestricted funding for "population assistance" 02/25/1997



www.nrlc.org

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Comments

Joe,
So what are you saying about this candidate? Yes, in his past he voted against life, but his most recent votes were for life. What is his current stance?

Posted by: Maria at January 28, 2004 8:48 AM

Maria,
I think John Kerry's website sums it up, unfortunately:

John Kerry believes that women have the right to control their own bodies, their own lives, and their own destinies. He believes that the Constitution protects their right to choose and to make their own decisions in consultation with their doctor, their conscience, and their God. He will defend this right as President. He recently announced he will support only pro-choice judges to the Supreme Court. Kerry also believes that we should promote family planning and health plans should assure women contraceptive coverage.

He refuses to support pro-life judges. That just galls me. What makes this worse is that John Kerry is a Catholic. There's simply no excuse for this.

God bless,
Jay

Posted by: Jay at January 28, 2004 9:06 AM

Jay...John Kerry is not a "Catholic" IMHO.

http://powten.com/posts/220.aspx

Posted by: savrx at January 28, 2004 11:03 AM

That raises an interesting point. Can one reject the authority of the Church and still be a Catholic? I think not. The most distinguishing feature of the Catholic Church is its claim to Divine authority. To reject that claim is to reject the very basis of the Church, and so to reject the Church.

This perspective appears to be gaining support with the most influential Catholic leaders. Bishop Burke of LaCrosse (now Archbishop Burke of St. Louis) publicly announced that pro-abort politicians would not be permitted at the Lord's table. Scott Hahn in "The Splendor of the Church" video bluntly stated that those who claim to be Catholics without accepting the Church's teachings are not Catholics at all. Most interestingly, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger has indicated that stricter adherence to the faith must be preached and enforced, even if that means creating a smaller Church. Godfried Cardinal Danneels (by no means my favorite prince) has said similar things, indicating that it is better to have people identifying themselves as Catholics in spite of public disapproval rather than because it is what everyone else is doing.

I have heard many Catholics bemoaning this approach (including the venerable Richard John Neuhaus in a recent edition of First Things) because it is "exclusive". They claim that we must bring in as many people as possible. But what difference does it make how many people are in the Church if the majority of them do not even believe in the Church? Does the Church not disgrace itself by indulging persons such as John Kerry and the many faces in the crowd following his example? What ever happened to 1 Cor. 5? Let us encourage our brothers in error to embrace the truth. But if they refuse to accept it, should they not be turned out? If not, their cancer will spread to the remaining parts of the body and serve as a barrier to bringing our Protestant brothers and sisters into the fold.

Posted by: Dave at January 28, 2004 12:38 PM

Dave,
I agree. You can't water down the Truth in order to make it more palatable. In other words, if you have a problem with the teaching, you really have a problem with God. What's the point of attracting those simply looking to change the Truth?

God bless,
Jay

Posted by: Jay at January 29, 2004 8:50 AM

JOHN KERRY IS A MORON WHO WILL ONLY DESTROY THIS COUNTRY!

Posted by: Tom Sullivan at February 4, 2004 6:30 PM

How fortunate for you, as a Catholic, to be sinless and to agree with absolutely every single teaching of the Catholic church.
And how fortunate for God to give us the free will to follow our own convictions and beliefs.

Posted by: Marie at February 5, 2004 8:17 AM

Marie,
Abortion isn't one of the teachings up for debate. If you think it's okay for a politician to support murdering children, I think you should really examine your conscience (convictions and beliefs). God gave us the free will to choose good, not to choose evil.

God bless,
Jay

Posted by: Jay at February 5, 2004 8:45 AM

Marie,

What is your religious background? Jay is not claiming to be sinless. He is only claiming to recognize the truth as revealed by the Holy Spirit to the Catholic Church. I am always confused when I hear people say things like, "you think your so perfect."

What a misunderstanding, and an unfortunate one at that. Christ came to us, died, and rose again for the very reason that we are decidedly NOT perfect. Practicing Catholics understand that this sacrifice was caused and necessitated by their own sins better than anyone (ever heard of a "guilty Catholic"?) Far from claiming perfection, we cling to the hope that comes only from Christ's perfect sacrifice on the cross.

In response, we strive to obediently follow Christ in perfect love and reverent submission. The first step in that process is to acknowledge truth. It is our roadmap--it guides us. Sometimes we stray from following truth, but it remains constant, unchanging, and willing to guide us home.

Jay's comments are designed to elucidate that many have attempted and continue attempting to disguise, hide, and confuse the truth. If one does not recognize truth, following its guiding light becomes a moot point. Thus, the first most important step is the recognition of truth. One need not be perfect to recognize truth. Nor are we "arrogant" for presenting the truth to the lost. Jay is simply offering a candle to those who will take it. Let it illuminate the darkness in which the folly of this world lies hidden. Only then can you accurately discern the path of truth!

In Christ,
Dave

Posted by: Dave at February 5, 2004 12:03 PM

Dear Fellow Christians: Any Christians here? Some on this site seem to claim that any and all teachings coming from the bishops are infallible. I am sure you know, the only infallible teaching (other than faith dogmas defined by Church Councils many centuries ago) is a papal teaching so defined, in collegiality with his brother bishops. Two of these exist in Church history, the first in the 19th c. establishing the dogma and the second in the 1950's. There is a hierarchy of truth and teaching authority. Certainly the abortion issue is on the high end. The sexuality teachings based on Scholastic natural law theory is lower down but Catholics must inform themselves with these and all the authoritative teachings on faith and morals, before conscience may claim assent or a qualified dissent. I do recognize some conscientious dissent should be reserved to avoid scandal. But the answer to all these controversial questions can't be all sorts of public anathemas, polarizing proposals ending in absolutist excommunications, etc. Some seem to think they must somehow achieve God's kingdom by immersion into secular politics. I suggest the first instance of action for the practice of any ethic should be within our local church community. Ranting against abortion, for example, is no more than that unless we can establish within our local church, a holistic service that makes alternatives available and possible and free within a total atmosphere of love and concern for the pregnant women. Screeching the rosary at them outside a clinic is not winning their hearts or souls and may even be deforming our own spirtual growth. While I do agree that we need to be open in the sense of inviting and welcoming, especially to those marginalized and persecuted (and I include the unborn in this category) there must be another, subsequent step, too, toward conversion of life. A church community that parrots all the official teachings makes an idol out of the institutional church and will not evangelize by general attraction, except those who want only the most authoritative model of church, representing a kind of mind numbing traditionalism that Acquinas, Augustine, and Jesus, to mention only a few, would have rejected. The greatest scandal today in the whole American Christian church is that, except for extreme and absolutist politicization, as witnessed on this page, an impartial observer would be baffled in making a distinction between those claiming to be Christian and those who live as secular Americans. They ALL appear to be secular Americans. Could we all take a little step back from the absolute positions we so crave? Certainly the Popes have stepped back, given that the last infallible dogma was pronounced over 50 years ago and the Assumption of the Virgin Mary is, by today's standards, pretty tame stuff. I, too, am troubled by the general drift I detect, over a period of time, of too much accommodationism by the Church. But a lurch to premodern standards is not the answer. I suggest we all start to repent, and begin to re-form our church communities so that an impartial observer might claim along with the first century pagans, "See how they love one another!" This is Christ's ultimate command: Love our neighbor as he has loved us. Christ has the last say who is saved and who is not. We can't be sure every word of our authoritative teachings are correct. Church history is littered with discarded or revised teachings. Let's give a little more room for the Holy Spirit to work. Wholesale, publicized spiritual executions won't promote this ethic. This can't be the model for a church that is catholic.

Your sinful brother,
Michael

Posted by: Mike at February 10, 2004 11:46 AM

Michael,

Thank you for posting on our blog. Allow me to first address infallibility. Vatican II clearly stated that the Pope

"enjoys in virtue of his office, when, as the supreme shepherd and teacher of all the faithful, who confirms his brethren in their faith (cf. Luke 22:32), he proclaims by a definitive act some doctrine of faith or morals. Therefore his definitions, of themselves, and not from the consent of the Church, are justly held irreformable, for they are pronounced with the assistance of the Holy Spirit, an assistance promised to him in blessed Peter." - Lumen Gentium, 25

So while you are correct in stating that the teachings on faith and morals at the various Councils are considered to be infallible due to the fact that they are proclaimed by the Pope and the bishops in union with him, your comments could be preceived as misleading if you are attempting to say that the Pope does not, at the same time, hold a unique and solitary perrogative in matters of faith and moral that does not require the unity of his fellow bishops.

I sense a little resentment toward your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. I especially sensed this in your comments about the pro-life movement. Have you ever gone to pray the rosary outside of an abortion clinic? I have. The only "screeching" that I heard was from pro-choice bypassers and protestors, many of whom were using profanity and vulgar language that I will not repeat here. Never underestimate the power of prayer...especially the Rosary. I have witnessed Catholic street counselors talk to young women who were on the verge of killing their unborn babies. These same women had a change of heart and decided to keep their babies, all the while we prayed the Rosary. This is war, my friend. Don't knock those who are out on the front lines. In addition to that, the Catholic Church has been very proactive in providing "free" alternative means for these women. One of the goals of many local dioceses is the setting up of crisis pregnancy centers either across the street or close by to abortion clinics. I would highly recommend going to the following site:
www.priestsforlife.org
They have statistics and tons of information showing that we are winning this war against abortion.

In conclusion, I would just like to say that I'm not sure what you mean by the comment "Let's give a little more room for the Holy Spirit to work". But I do know this; He is God and He has chosen to work through the Catholic Church. It is through the Church that He pours His graces out upon this world.

In Christ,
Joe

Posted by: Joe at February 11, 2004 12:17 AM

Michael,
You are right, we all need repentance, forgiveness, and we need to put love into action. However, as Christ showed us sometimes in loving we have to be tough. The account in the New Testament of Christ strongly condemning the vendors and sellers in the temple was not exactly warm fuzzy feelings. Christ was outraged by their actions and in no way allowed them to persist on their current paths. So I do believe the right move for the Catholic Church is to uphold it's teachings and take a stand to defend it's unity by denying those who publicly dissent from the Church the right to receive Communion, because they have openly admitted to not being in union with the Church not because we are judging them as unworthy.

Posted by: Maria at February 12, 2004 3:14 PM

How sad it is that some people have convinced themselves that they are right, so everyone else must be wrong.

Posted by: Rick at February 12, 2004 10:18 PM

Rick - you do realize your statement indicates you are doing exactly what you are condemning. Just thought I'd point out the obvious.

God bless,
Jay

Posted by: Jay at February 12, 2004 10:38 PM

Michael,

Amen, brother! If interested, please see my similary themed posts in the Protestant traditions thread.

Another sinful brother,

Trey

Posted by: Trey at February 14, 2004 12:35 PM

Uhhhhh...I don't know where you get your voting record????

He did not support partial abortion ban act at all.

Posted by: Lacy at February 20, 2004 9:58 PM

Sorry, Lacy, but these are the facts - look them up yourself. Voting against a ban is the same as supporting it. Also read this article on Kerry's support for abortion in general. It is pathetic.

God bless,
Jay

Posted by: Jay at February 20, 2004 10:12 PM

I think this site is very interesting. John Kerry is a wonderful man and any of you who think making abortion illegal is the way to go, well, all I have to say is you need your head examined. Many social problems will be created if abortion is illegalized. And you damn Republicans will be the ones complaining when taxes go up to support the 15 year old mothers on Welfare. If people like you are going to Heaven then I'd prefer to go to Hell. Move to the Bible Belt, or better yet, Iraq.

Posted by: Suzanne at February 24, 2004 10:43 PM

Suzanne,

Perhaps we should simply murder everyone on welfare so that those "damn Republicans" will stop complaining about the taxes. What an extraordinary idea! Besides, the "quality of life" for a welfare junkie is probably pretty pathetic anyway. To parrot the logic of the late Justice Marshall, that means they shouldn't be allowed to live.

And by the way, if you are such a fan of death, Hell will suit you nicely. As for "people like me," we recognize that Christ died to win our love and obedience; and those who give it will indeed populate Heaven. It is an open invitation...

In Christ,
Dave

Posted by: Dave at February 25, 2004 12:22 AM

i don't understand how any sincere, bible-following christian can be a republican. what about christ's many examples of tending to the oppressed, poor, and sufferring. what about God's heart for the nations and the lost? (instead of just protecting america's gross riches and wealth)

Posted by: grace at March 11, 2004 7:53 PM

So Grace, is it better to be a Democrat and support the slaughtering of innocent children? Sometimes it's simply a matter of choosing the lesser of two evils.

Think about it.

In Christ,
Joe

Posted by: Joe at March 11, 2004 8:15 PM

Wow...there is a lot of passion on this page!

Can someone tell me how to look up the actual voting records of Senators? I don't want newspaper articles etc. but the record itself. I'm still a little internet illiterate ...

What do you think about John Kerry talking to foreign leaders about us? He says forgein leaders want him. How does he know that and why won't he name the leaders? Seems fishy to me.

Just my thoughts...

Posted by: Sinner saved by grace at March 17, 2004 8:28 AM

[Sarcasm on] I'd be happy to help on the foreign leaders end of things, Sinner. My inside information is that John is telling the truth. Rumor has it that Ossama Bin Laden, Fidel Castro, Mohammar Khadafi, and Yasser Arafat all are huge fans of the Kerry campaign. Also, I've heard that Jacques Chirac is pushing Kerry as a powerful ally in his attempt to rid the world of religion. Hope this helps. [Sarcasm off]

In Christ,
Dave

Posted by: Dave at March 17, 2004 11:15 AM

The best place to research voting records, IMHO, is at Project Vote Smart. You can see virtually all the details about any particular politicians voting record. For example, this is John Kerry's information - just click on "Voting Record" (to the left) and you can see his votes on virtually any issue out there.

Hope this helps.

God bless,
Jay

Posted by: Jay at March 17, 2004 1:22 PM

You don't have to be a Christian to be pro-life... You just have to have a brain! If you think abortion is OK, then you think it's OK to murder innocent children.

Posted by: Jenna at March 30, 2004 4:54 PM

I just happened upon this BLOG and found it interesting. Catholics in politics is something that, very recently, has really caught my attention. If you are a devout Catholic who followows the teachings of the Church to the "t," then it puts you right in the middle between Democrat and Republican. The Catholic Church is very "liberal" when it comes to social policy such as state's role in helping citizens and very conservative when it comes to moral issues like abortion and homosexual marriage. I am a registered non-partisan 'cause I refuse to identify with any evil, not even the lesser one. Democrats kill babies and if they live, Republicans starve them.

Posted by: Michael Burton at May 3, 2004 5:43 PM

The comments by Suzanne that John Kerry is a wonderful man shows that she clearly does not live in Massachusetts. Anyone who lives here will surely be far more familiar with the man. He tells one group one thing, and on the same day turns around and tells an opposing group exactly the opposite. For example, telling pro-life people one thing, and telling pro-death people another thing. (I can't call them pro-choice because the baby they murder has no choice.) John Kerry also has a history of having been involved with a group of people that planned to use high power sling shots to fire baked marbles at people going in an out of a Republican National Convention in the 70s because he didn't like the thought of Republicans in office. Yeah, that's a real respect for people he's supposed to be asking us to allow him to govern.

And Grace's comments that "i don't understand how any sincere, bible-following christian can be a republican. what about christ's many examples of tending to the oppressed, poor, and sufferring. what about God's heart for the nations and the lost? (instead of just protecting america's gross riches and wealth)" Er, um, well, er, um, that's why John Kerry is all for the rich guy and has repeatedly voted against anything that helps poor people who can't contribute to his campaign and his personal wealth. Give me a break, how can any sincere, bible-following Christian be a Democrat?

The Democratic party has repeatedly shown throughout the past 50 years that it doesn't support democracy at all. It has repeatedly voted against the people's wishes in almost every topic you can think of. In many instances they won't even allow things to go to a vote of the public because they're afraid the public will vote against their pet projects and pork-barrel legislation.

The Democratic party is the closest thing to totalitarian rule that this Republic of United States of America has ever had the misfortune to have run it's government and it's time they be dissolved for once and for all and the few people who will still support the Democrats' stupid ideals (yeah right, "ideals", what a laugh!) should be locked away so they can't do any harm to themselves or anyone else.

Republicans realize that they also represent their Democratic constituents. Democrats not only refuse to believe they have to represent their Republican constituents, but actually, publicly and vocally detest their Republican constituents. These people do not deserve the government positions they hold. They deserve contempt, and possibly even jail terms.

Give me a break! The Republican party may be for business and rich people, but they certainly aren't against the little guy. The Democrats are against anyone and everyone that isn't a rich Democrat.

And you want to top all of this off? The Democratic National Convention, to be held in July in Boston, is such an incredible joke! First, they insist that the newly "almost done" Big Dig (the complete redesign of the main highway through the heart of Boston) be closed because it passes too close to the Fleet Center. Then they demand that the commuter rail trains that come into the Fleet Center be prohibited from arriving there because it's too dangerous TO THOSE ATTENDING THE CONVENTION. They want people taken off the trains outside Boston and put on buses, and those buses won't have anywhere to go because the highway is closed. Then they tell us they want a 15 mile stretch of the highway closed! Heaven forbid, someone not attending the convention should be allowed within 15 miles of them. They've taken steps to have the homeless people removed from the area because they are an eyesore. NOW, they tell us that Candidate John F. Kerry will attend, but will use a previously un-exploited loophole in the laws and won't accept the party's nomination at the convention because that would limit his spending on his campaign! So the whole convention deal is a "legal mumbo jumbo bait and switch deal". When told about the hardships they are causing for hundreds of business in and around Boston with their ridiculous restrictions, some being forced to close down for the week because they can't operate under those restrictions, their only comment is that they were never asked to close down. They have absolutely no clue the trouble they are putting hundreds of thousands of commuters and employees and residents and businesses through! Nor do they care for one minute about all of that. Only that they find some way, no matter how crooked that way might be, to eliminate a Republican in office simply because he's a Republican.

Posted by: Dave Bradley at May 22, 2004 9:36 PM

why base your decision on 1 issue. the president should be a representative of what a majority of the people want. but to make an informed decision you need to look at more than issues like this. these are emotional issues and some people base their decision solely on this issue. thats how this country gets into trouble. Look at all the issues and make an informed decision not an emotional one!

Posted by: db at August 13, 2004 5:26 AM

Good point db! People should make their voting choice based on information and principles, not emotions.
However, I would point out that there may be times when there are principled grounds for choosing a candidate based on only one issue. If a candidate promised to reduce the federal debt and deficit, lower taxes, increase money to schools and the arts, and increase the standard of living for all Americans...by taking all Canadian money and making them our personal slaves, I think you'd agree that that one issue alone would be enough to not vote for such a candidate.
It is the quality of an issue, not the total number of issues, that matters most.
For those who believe abortion is murder, it would make sense then, to not vote for a candidate based on that issue alone. You may disagree, and consider abortion to be ok, but certainly you can understand how those who think abortion to be murder would value that issue above all others.

Posted by: Steve Doetsch at September 30, 2004 12:28 AM

db,
"An emotional issue"? Is this a joke? Do you think the millions of babies murdered every year consider this only an "emotional" issue?

Think about it this way: if a president was right on almost everything, but wanted to bring back slavery, would you vote for him? Of course not. One issue, when it's this big, should be the primary principle on which we vote. If a president refuses to protect those who are most vunerable, can we really expect him to take care of anyone else? When children are sacrificed for political gain, who is safe? This isn't just "one" issue - this is the only issue that really speaks to the heart of the men running for office: can they look into the eyes of a baby and then tell the mother she has every right to kill the child?

God bless,
Jay

Posted by: Jay at September 30, 2004 9:06 AM

Speaking of issues - I continue to hear that Kerry won the debate because he just looked and sounded better (the image), but I have not heard anyone say he one on substance or on issue. Am I crazy or just not hearing correctly?

Posted by: Jimbo at October 5, 2004 1:35 AM

Jimbo,

You are not crazy. You heard correctly. Bush did a lot of frowning and had some trouble with pausing and articulating at points. Kerry was a lawyer and on the debate team in college so he came off more polished..

But Jay is correct, abortion is a central issue in this election. Bush clearly is standing up for life and NOT paying lip service to it.

Kerry, just yesterday was going around with Michael J. Fox who has Parkinson's disease saying Bush was wrong for banning federal funding of fetal stem cell research..

Kerry is a Cafeteria Catholic/Christian..
Picking and choosing what teachings he wil follow. God expects us not only to have convictions but to stand up for them even when it
is unpopular. This is a mark of someone with Character.. Bush has stood up for what he believes in. He walks his talk.. Kerry is just
double talk.

Being personally against abortion and infanticide and doing nothing to stand up for life is hypocritical. Bush has had to make hard choices regarding the war on terror. Yes some innocent Iraqis may have died in this war..
Innocent people die in every war. I believe we are doing everything we can at the risk of putting our soldiers in greater danger, to minimize the loss of innocent life..

Kerry supporters that have posted to this Blog are so concerned about innocent Iraqis, what about the innocent lives of unborn babies who are slaughtered like sacrifices daily and the babies left to die horrible deaths because of Partial birth abortion ? Why don't these same
people who are worried about innocent Iragqs worry about the innocent American lives being lost by the millions every year? If they are
really Pro-Life then how can they in good conscience vote for Kerry who will not stand up
for the unborn ???

I would like a Pro-life Kerry supporter to explain their logic to me ...?

In Christ,

Clem

Posted by: Clem at October 5, 2004 8:25 AM

I cant believe such ignorant people are allowed
to vote. No one can tell me what to do with
my body and also I would like to know how many
of you hypocrites are willing to take home some
of those children abused in the foster home system so to make their pain less great. Not only do they suffer knowing they are unwanted add to that a life time of abuse. Many say they would
preferred not having been born at all.
Talk to them and take them into your family
you bunch of hypocrites. Put your money where
your christian mouth is.

Posted by: social worker at October 8, 2004 1:47 PM

Put your money where your christian judgemental
mouth is. Adopt those children you are in
foster homes suffering. Be responsible. You
dont want children killed. That is beautiful.
Give them a life worth living. I bet you wont
do it. Is hypocrisy a sin?

Posted by: social worker at October 8, 2004 1:52 PM

Social Worker,

It is not your body, it is the child's body. Your body is the same body that grew inside your mother's womb. That fetus is one and the same as you; just a long time ago. The heart that beats inside the unborn body does not belong to the mother (though she gives it life). The DNA is not hers either. So when you talk of telling other people what to do with their bodies, maybe you should think of that body existing within the body. Maybe you should also think about the fact that every civilized nation on earth prohibits you from using your body to destroy the life of another. This is basic humanity. Where is yours???

As to foster kids, my wife and I are in the process of adopting one right now. Does that make you feel better? I didn't think so.

Regarding all of those living in misery, would you advocate killing them now? Then why should we kill them in the womb. Please explain how they are any less of a person just because they live in their mother's water and eat and breath through an umbilical cord? Your sorrow for those living in pain is admirable. Your response is despicable. Only the love of Christ can heal your sickness. Turn to Him.

In Christ,
Dave

Posted by: Dave at October 8, 2004 2:34 PM

Hmmm . . .

The potential for a rough life verus being brutally ripped apart in my mother's womb . . .

Interesting . . . I'll have to think about that one.

Posted by: Thomas at October 8, 2004 2:36 PM

Dave,

Right on. People want to play with fire and have sex out side of marriage and then because the pregnancy is inconvenient or whatever they choose to Kill their own flesh and blood. Rape and incest, So we should kill the child for the crime of the father.. I don't understand the logic.

People want to go through life not having any consequences for their actions.. Sorry but life
is not that way. The church tries to proclaim God's truth about life and they are branded Holy rollers and fanatics.. Our society is going to hell in a hand basket.

Our society has a lot of ME people in it. Me people are people who think only of themselves and don't give a care about anyone or anything else. It's my body Etc. Ect.

Instead of teaching self control and putting others first, the Politically correct say go sacrifice your babies to the Idol of Self..

This society has no respect for Life. Life is cheap, drive by shooters Homocide Bombers and terrorists flying planes into buildings and mothers sacrificing their innocent babies. All
have no respect for life..

I pray that God does not judge us for our sin and allow John Kerry as our next president ??


Clem

Posted by: Clem at October 8, 2004 3:55 PM

I am a wife and a mother of 2 beautiful girls. Last year I was raped and became pregnant by a man who was later jailed and found to have a severe psychological disorder. He had murdered before. He was a third generation schizophrenic. He cried on the stand and said to the jury that he was sorry but he had no control over things like raping and murdering ad he would do it again.

Thank you to people like John Kerry for supporting my right to choose NOT to bring a tortured soul onto this planet.

Posted by: Pro-Choice Mother at November 1, 2004 11:50 AM

To everyone,
Personally, I think people are crazy to put so much faith and holiness in a man (the pope) who cannot do for us what Jesus does everyday. I have never understood Catholicism and I don't ever care to get a better understanding of it. NO MAN, on this earth is that Holy except Jesus Christ.

As for Kerry, politicians will say whatever it takes to get the vote. Kerry did not vote in favor of banning partial birth abortions and he voted No on the amendment protecting marriage. Right now, I don't know who I will vote for. Bush, is a whack job that has used his own personal issues to send this country to a war that is not ours. He may very well have voted in favor of some of the things that I agree with but, does that mean I should vote for him?? Look at all the people who have been killed in search of this illusive Osama Bin Laden. How is it that we cant find one man BUT when its time to get out there and sway the American people to be on Bush's side, an Osama tape pops up right on time to remind us that he is still at large and the only way to stop him is to re-elect Bush?? That's bull.

I don't get it with the people of this country, they ignore everything obvious and pounce on the things that are not concrete. 9/11 was a devastating event yes, but I am so completely sure that it was orchestrated to get some money out of congress. Take a look back at that event, especially the so called plane hitting the Pentagon and ask yourself how can a country who is so advanced in intelligence and technology, not know these things would happen?? How could 2 different 747 get that low in the air and warnings not be raised. And lastly how can a 747 hit the Pentagon and the whole or half of the building not be destroyed? Think back people, how much news time did the attack on the Pentagon get??? What did we really see of the damage? Anyone want to see the video, email me. Was it a 747 that hit it or, a misfired missile by us? Bush voted in favor of banning partial birth abortions but had NO RESPONSE for free speech in the church??

The outcome of this election is only the beginning of the end in my opinion. My gut is telling me that Bush will win again. So all of us Christians who teach and profess the word of God need to focus on what can really have a direct affect on us and that is having the freedom to preach sound, dogmatic doctrine of the Holy Bible. If they take that away, then we are truly lost. Look at what is happening in California, the Governor already signed in SB 1234 which amended a hate crimes bill to include speaking against homosexuality as a hate crime. HELLLOOOO!!! I think we are focusing on the wrong things. Lets see how many true Christians get out there and vote. Its funny, people who say they believe in God always have something to say on a message board, or blog, or they do online surveys that leaves their identity anonymous, but when it comes down to stand up and be recognized, say what you believe in, voice your opinion on Gay/Lesbians, homosexual marriage, we are silent. We are the majority in comparison to homosexuals and but yet they have ALL the power while we sit back and continue to conduct our "silent" protests. Im not trying to make this a Gay/Lesbian issue. Just pointing out the obvious. We are living in the last days people.

Posted by: Concerned Believer at November 1, 2004 1:10 PM

Pro-Choice Mother,

I am sincerely sorry for the horrific act that was done to you. Being raped, is a terrible, destructive thing that is never right...but neither is murder.

This man took part of you, horrifically used you and it gravely evil what he did to you, but he did not take your life. If you aborted your unborn child, you took a life.

The saying we heard as children is completely true - "Two wrongs do not make a right." Rape is a terrible evil and a complete violation of the woman, but the killing of an unborn child that is the result of that terrible act is not the answer to healing that woman nor just....and the unborn child is not guilty of the act. You might want to read an excellent book on this very thing called Victims and Victors. I've provided a link here for more information about this book.
Victims and Victors

Some have said to me "you are a 'man' and you have no right to say this to a woman." My response is that truth is not gender dependent, so my being a man doesn't change the truth of the matter. The unborn child, regardless of the circumstances, remain a human being with individual rights. Here are some additional sites provide additional light on this isssue.

Life Site

Abortion Facts

I will pray for you, that you might experience healing and God's peace.

In Christ,
Joe

Posted by: Joe at November 1, 2004 7:12 PM

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