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Excellent meditation Jay! It is so important to have a foundation rooted in Sacred Scripture. Unlike most of our Protestant brothers and sisters, Catholic have a family tree dating back to Jesus Christ Himself. We find not only Catholics, but Roman Catholics dating back that far. It amazes me that Protestants never take the time to think about this. Why is it that the only Christian church in Rome is Roman Catholic? And why are all the major early Christian sites occupied by Roman Catholic churches? Did Roman Catholics in the Middle Ages invade Rome and force all the Protestants out? No, Rome has always been Roman Catholic. We have both St. Paul and St. Peter, writing and dying in Rome. So I don't see how there can be any question as to what faith the early Christians held to. Those individuals who want to insist that the early Christians weren't Roman Catholic fail to see the big picture...Rome has always been the center of Christianity, and it has always been Roman Catholic. Thanks be to God, it always will be.

Joe

Great info on the meaning of Roman Catholic. Could you please give some insight or info on what a Byzantine Catholic is and the difference between this and Roman Catholic. Thanks.
Maria

Thanks for an interesting discussion. I found it intriguing because you guys are the first Catholics I've come across (in decades - and I was raised a Catholic) who are actually proud of putting the adjective "Roman" first. In fact, I've come across quite a few others, including priests, who object very strongly to people adding "Roman" to "Catholic"! I'm not sure why (especially seeing as the Pope is the "Bishop of Rome". Perhaps they object to non-Catholics shortening it to "Romanism", or to others (especially High Anglicans) calling themselves "the Church Catholic" in X country.

A quick query (one that has, no doubt, been already answered on a thousand websites): If St Peter was serving for any length of time as the bishop or head of the Christians in Rome, then why did St Paul bypass him -- not even mention him -- when writing to his Epistle to the Romans?

Please don't just say "Not everything is contained in Scripture", because this seems like a pretty big omission (but then I think the entire Papacy is a pretty big omission from the New Testament; it would be like reading a history of early America that mentioned Senators and State Governors, and George Washington personally, but said nothing about the Presidency).

Even if one accepted the Catholic version of Church history as true, wouldn't Paul's actions writing this Epistle be akin to, say, the Catholic Archbishop of London writing a pastoral letter to the Catholics of New York instructing them in faith and morals, and making no mention of their own bishop?

[Oops, sorry about the double post. I thought the computer had swallowed my first message, so re-typed and expanded it. You can delete the first one if you want.]

Russell,

Thanks again for your active participation on this blog. The answer to your question is an easy one. St. Paul was in Rome first, by birth right he was a Roman. Two things factored in St. Paul being in Rome first - 1) his appeal to Caesar in reference to his case (Acts 22:22-23:11), and 2)because St. Paul had been commissioned at the Council of Jerusalem to go to the Gentiles (Acts 15). We have no Scriptural reference to the death of either apostles in Rome but, historically, we know that St. Paul most likely died in the year 67 A.D. He was beheaded near Tre Fontane, in Rome. Also, realize that St. Paul was a missionary. Even in modern day, missionary priests (and bishops for that matter) go into unevangelized areas to spread the Gospel. It is believed that St. Paul wrote his epistle in the year 58 A.D. Thus explaining why St. Peter isn't mentioned in it, since many historians believe that St. Peter arrived in Rome after this had been sent. St. Paul also wrote to the Galatians, Corinthians, Colossians, Thessalonians, and others. He was encourging them, attempting to establish the Church in their midst, instructing them in the Faith until more apostles and/or disciples could arrive. He even laid hands on some, thus ordaining certain men to be priests (St. Timothy is one example).

St. Peter likewise shared in this apostolic mission. He traveled a great deal as well. As stated earlier he, more than likely, hadn't arrived in Rome at the time of St. Paul's epistle, therefore St. Paul being in Corinth, was fulfilling his duties to those in Rome. He wrote to address problems that he was aware of, but also to encourage old friends. So it would be substantially different than the modern day bishop of London writing a pastoral letter to the diocese of New York. His greeting shows his intimate friendship with various Roman Catholics within that early community (Romans 16:1-16).

In regards to your questions and comments on the Papacy, I will be posting an article on this very topic within the next few days. I look forward to your comments.

Joe

Another interesting point that suggests Paul realizes the importance of Rome: Romans is the only book Paul wrote to a community that he didn't found. Paul believes that he should not "build upon another man's foundation," but rather allow those who founded the community to build it. In Romans he also notes that he has longed to visit them (again, he only visits places that have not been evangelized). Why? Because he understood the prophecy of Daniel and the importance of being a "Roman" church.

Jay

hi my name is mueed i want to know the difference between byzantine christians and roman catholics.

if your make are paragraph of byzantine christians and roman catholics.

RULE

TASK
in two well developed paragraphs:
paragraph one: discuss one major difference between byzantine christianity and western christianity. use details to support this difference.
paragraph two: discuss another major difference between byzantine christianity and western christianity. use details to support this difference.

THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
if your writing it down

it have to be good

Mueed,

In response to your request, I decide that it would be best to write and article. It is entitled:
Eastern Rites of the Catholic Church

Thank you for your request, I hope you find the article informative.

In Christ,
Joe

Jay and Dave,

I just read your article on how the term Roman
Catholic church came into being. Interesting
Where did you get that interpretation of those
scriptures and how did they come to that conclusion. Please don't give an answer like
the church says it is so.

I know that I am backtracking but I think that
it is relavent. You stated that Jesus spoke
Aramaic and I do not dispute that but HE also
must have been able to speak and read Hebrew because when He when in the synagogue and read
from the scroll regarding the prophecy about him
that scroll had to be in Hebrew. Also it is tradition that Jewish males should know the Torrah So He was probably at the very least Bilingual. Just a side note.

I looked up the definition of Catholic on the
web here is the website :.http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&oi=defmore&q=define:catholic

The basic definition of Catholic is Universal..
Now if I remember correctly and if I am incorrect
I am sure you will correct me, in the writings
of Josephus Flavius the followers of Jesus were
known as "The Way" I believe this tern is also in the book of Acts. Then latter in the book of
acts at Antioch I believe the followers of Jesus were called Christians. Can you tell me when that changed to Catholics? Please site documentation where I can go and read it for myself.

All Catholic means is Universal church. I am not
disagreeing that the early Christian church was
the church that Christ Set up or that His Church
is universal. It seems like you are hung up on
the word Catholic or Roman Catholic.

Are you saying that only members of the Catholic
church who submit to the pope in Rome cam get
into heaven ?

I also refer you back to an incident where the
disciples came to Jesus and complained that someone was either healing or teaching in the
name of Jesus and they wanted Him to go and
rebuke the man because He was not a part of their group or you could say their church. Do you know the story. Do you remember Jesus's answer. I am paraphazing but basically it was leave Him alone, If He is not against us He is for us.

Jay and Dave Who should we be followers of?
Who should we submit to ? Jesus or the Pope ?
Who has more authority ? Of Course the answer
should be Jesus.

I have told Dave in a private email that I have
a problem with the Catholic Churches stand on
contraception. From what I have been told a married couple can abstain from intercourse or
use something called the rythemn method of birth
control but it is a sin to use the pill or
a condum. If I am wrong please correct me but this is my understanding on this issue. I am not
married and never have been so I could not have the facts absolutely correct. This was how it was explained to me by my parents who are practicing Catholics.

Now why is okay to use a natural form of birth
control but not okay to use a condemn or the pill. The result is still the same. No children.

When someone tells you not to do something or
not to do something they should have an explanation behind it. They shouldn't say because I said so. Now to be fair maybe the
church gives an explanation. If there is one I'd
like to know so I can understand it better.

Finally, Should church teachings go against what
is written in the scriptures ?

The old testament advocates Capital punishment.
Leviticas gives extensive instructions.

You can not be convicted without two witnesses
and if you murder someone intentionally your
life is forfit for the life you took. I don't
see any change from that policy in the New testament. Jesus says we are to forgive, but even if we are forgiven there may still be
consequences to our actions.

Why is the Catholic Church against Capital punishment? I know they are Pro Life and they
feel that it is consistant with being Pro life.
But it is not consistant with God's word.

I know that you will not agree with my opinion
and I am sure you will give me your view on this.

I am more than willing to submit to God and to
Jesus. To use Jesus as the model to follow.
I am a follower of Christ. I feel it is dangerous
to put your faith and Trust in any MAN. We are
to put are trust in God. Men make mistakes. God
never makes a mistake.

It has been inferred that I am not a Catholic
just because I attend mass and take communion.
I need to submit to the pope and His teachings
to be a Catholic. I may not be a Catholic but I
am a believer in Jesus Christ. He is my Lord and
my Savior. He is my judge also. I feel confident
that HE knows my heart and He will Judge me with
Mercy and Grace because He knows that I trust in
Him. I hope we all get to meet together in heaven. I believe that I will be there not because of what I've done but because of What He
did. He promised if I follow Him my name will be
written in His book of life.

I do want to explore the Catholic Church more.
I attend mass weekly receive communion weekly and I hope to find peace in the Catholic Church. But I believe that there will be Catholics and Messianic Jews and Protestants in heaven. We will all be one worshiping together before the throne of the King.

I am meeting with a Catholic Priest on Monday to
discuss my questions. Please pray for me that
He is able to answer my questions.

I have much more to say but I will leave it to
another post.

Grace & Peace,

Clem

I think you have a severly twisted and distorted view of the origins of your hateful religion. First of all, why would god chose a place for the Romans who ruled and killed God's chosen people! Then look on them with favor because the converted after they killed the Son of God! Then you turn around an added the word christian in the same sentence as catholicism. Did you know the average person and the average christian really that have little to seperate them. Why don't you try being a Christ follower instead of some Catholic Indiana Jones!

Okay, Marc, first let's look at the basics. You say "Why would God chose [sic] a place for the Romans who ruled and killed God's chosen people". Have you read the Old Testament? This is exactly what happened with the Babylonians, Medes/Persians, and the Greeks just as Daniel predicted. Why do you believe that Daniel's last prophecy was wrong when the other three were exactly correct?

By the way, I love how you use the word "hateful" to describe the Christian religion founded by Christ. Take some time and look around our website, I imagine you have a lot of misunderstandings about Catholicism (the Church Christ founded in Matthew 16:18). You can more closely follow Christ from inside of His Church.

God bless,
Jay

Catholic means universal. Many of the early Christians outside of Judea called themselves Catholic. THey were the Catholic church. Meaning universal. Catholic at this time didn't have the same meaning as it does now.

The original Christians were Jewish. They were not Roman, Greek or anything else. When Christ came to Earth His first disciples were Jewish. People of His own homeland.

Read the book of Acts real closely and you will see that the first Christians were of Christ own homeland.

Rome came onto the scene after the evangelizing efforts of Paul and Peter. Rome was not specifically God's chosen city to spread Christianity. What happened was that Rome claimed to be superior to all other cities because of its political, social, and military standing. Since it was considered the greatest city on Earth in secular terms, many of the early church leaders (outside of Israel) decided Rome should be number one in terms of Christianity.

Cyprian and other early church fathers(leaders) spread this belief and helped to set the stage for a pope being the head of the Christian belief system. (At least in their minds)

The church in Jerusalem should have been the preeminent church because:
1. Christ established the first Jewish believers there through the Holy SPirit and not by some secular means.
2. The first Christians are Jews. The early apostles witnessed to their own people first before they went to the Gentiles.
3. James the brother of Jesus was the head of the church in Jerusalem and nowhere did he ever mention that he was the universal head of all the church. That God only spoke to him for all others to hear. He didn't believe that because He knew no one but Christ is the ruler of His own Church.
4. Jesus would not have been foolish enough to place something like His church in the hands of mortal men. Let's get real. He would not entrust Himself to any man for He knew all men. Why would He entrust the keeping of His church and the transmitting of His truth to one man and one particular body of people? No, Holy SPirit is the only one that truly keeps the church (for He is God). Christ is the only one that keeps the church (for He is God). God the Father is the only one that keeps the church (for He is God). No man could keep the church for Christ. It was a task that Christ Himself would not have left up to any one.

ROMAN CATHOLIC came about after the split between Eastern Byzantium and Western Rome. This happened when Constantine move the capital of the empire east and established Constantinople. After Rome fell there wasn't anymore emporer leading the people in what remained of the empire. So they looked to the head of the Catholic church to lead them. This was at the time that Pope Gregory was in leadership. Roman Catholocism is different from Eastern Orthodoxy or Easter catholocism before it became orthodox.

The term Roman Catholic is just simply a term that one would use to line up with the Western doctrine of catholic belief.

So the term Roman Catholic does not hold any special meaning outside of the fact it's just another term to describe a group of Christians who believe in certain doctrines that originated in Rome.

Jay writes:

"So the term Roman Catholic does not hold any special meaning outside of the fact it's just another term to describe a group of Christians who believe in certain doctrines that originated in Rome."

Much better, I think to believe in doctrines found in the Bible, not merely Rome. Of course this is the watershed difference between Roman Catholics and Protestants.

"There is One mediator between God and man; Christ Jesus."

"Cursed is the man who puts confidence in the flesh."

"All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."

These are just some of many scriptures that codemn the idea of allegiance to any man, including the Pope. God did not send any other mediator or "snake lifted up in the wilderness" besides Christ alone.

My dear brothers, what I would give for you to abandon this idolatry!

We are not saved by good works, though they will reveal a true faith in Christ and validate it as one that is alive and not dead.

We are not in need of the intercessory prayer of Mary, nor should we be bowing to her or any other human alive or deceased in prayer. God hates this! Mary was a godly woman highly favored by God, and she would hate this idolatry.

Mankind should not be encouraged to take their sins to a priest. Jesus IS our high priest and we are to confess our sins to God THROUGH CHRIST, not any man who is also a sinner by nature.

Mankind should not be encouraged to nullify the work of Christ by seeking to atone for their own sin. "If righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."

We are saved by Christ alone

Through faith alone

By grace alone

Through the gospel reaveld in the Bible alone

To God's glory alone

I'm sure this is not unfamiliar to you, but as long as there are Roman Catholics preaching a gospel of salvation other than what Christ explicity teaches in the Bible, there will be Christians (Protestant Catholics) who will object and draw the glory of the gospel back to Christ alone.

Coram Deo,

Heather

Joe,

It's kind of funny how you relate to the history of Roman Catholics vs your "Protestant brothers and sisters." It is to my understanding that Jesus was a Jew and Jews were under the authority of the Roman Empire. It is also to my understanding that Protestantism was created and Catholics converted to Protestantism because they felt Catholicism was corrupted and they had no freedom to choose. So maybe it's not written in the history that Protestantism was established when Jesus was living, but Roman Catholics offered no choice, it was either faithful conversion to their/your religion or else there would be hell to pay. So continue to say that Roman Catholics were there in the beginning but do not negate the facts.

(^-^)

Wow, this is turning into quite a lively discussion. I think you ruffled some feathers Jay. There are ALOT of resources out there for apologetics. And who has the time to read them all? Here is the best one I have found. Maybe not the most thorough, but very short, to the point, easy reading, and proves the truth of Catholic teaching SOLELY from scripture. Non Catholics and Catholics alike, I suggest you check it out for some of the most common objections and answers to Catholic teachings.

http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/2min_apologetics.php

Jay - I am with you.

Jesus says in scripture "I am THE WAY, THE TRUTH and THE LIGHT. No one can come to the Father unless through me."

Jesus never said "I am A way, A truth and A light...."

The Roman Catholic Church is somewhat like Hinduism - You want a special healing..... pray to Saint so and so, you want something else pray to Saint so and so. Hey you want money...... go pray to St. so-and-so. Romans were pagans..... so is the Roman Catholic Church.

Scripture says "Satan can transform himself into an Angel of Light".

Wake up Roman Catholics.... start reading scripture. Scripture interprets itself. Ask God in Christ's name to help you understand HIS Word. Trust HIM and the Holy Spirit will enlighten you and help you understand the WORD.

Salvation is only through JESUS CHRIST who is the head of the Church.

--- Arun

Arun, do you ask people to pray for you? Or is that a pagan thing?

Dear BM,

Yes I do ask my Christian brothers and sisters to pray for me, my family etc. They pray to GOD THE FATHER in CHRIST's name. They ask the HOLY SPIRIT to guide them in prayer.

Arun

Arun,

I also ask my Christian brothers and sisters to pray for me, my family etc. Mary is one of my Christian sisters who prays for me. She prays to GOD THE FATHER in Christ's name. She asks the HOLY SPIRIT to guide them in prayer.

Why is it that when a Protestant asks someone to pray for them, it is a good thing. But when a Catholic asks someone to pray for them, it is pagan?

Why aren't there any more post since Jan 31?

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